Ranking The Top NHL Rookies This Season | Good Ol Hockey Podcast Ep. 63

[00:00:00] Speaker A: All right, everybody, welcome back to the good old hockey podcast. This is episode number 63. We are filming this on St. Patty's Day, aka Alan's birthday. Thank you, buddy. [00:00:09] Speaker B: I feel 25. [00:00:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:00:13] Speaker B: Not any older than I felt yesterday, but. [00:00:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:00:15] Speaker B: It's kind of weird to think about, I can rent a car now. Yeah. That's the only thing that happens at 25. [00:00:21] Speaker A: But that and back pain. [00:00:23] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. I wake up. Oh, my goodness. [00:00:28] Speaker A: You start stretching with, like, noises. When you stretch now, you're like, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Now that. Yeah. 25 is. It's a weird age because you're just like. I feel like it sets. Like, you just know you're old now. [00:00:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:00:46] Speaker A: When you're 25, you've officially, like, entered unk status, too. Or you're like. Because the age range, if you see on anything that does, like, surveys and stuff, it's always like, 18 to 24. [00:00:55] Speaker B: So Brandon. I. I saw Brandon at a. At a stick time the other day. He was getting on the ice, like, right. Right as we were getting off, and he called me unk. And I was like, what the hell? [00:01:07] Speaker A: He's 18 now. [00:01:08] Speaker B: I know. [00:01:09] Speaker A: That's legal adult. [00:01:10] Speaker B: That's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy to me. I remember when he was, like, 10. [00:01:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:01:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:01:15] Speaker A: Now he's a legal adult. Yeah. We're actually at. We're at Topgolf for his birthday party on Friday, and our waitress was pretty cute, and we. I couldn't tell if this waitress was in my age range or his age range. You know, I was like, oh, I just felt so old. [00:01:36] Speaker B: You know, it's crazy is now you guys have the same age range. [00:01:39] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:01:41] Speaker B: He could date up. [00:01:42] Speaker A: He could date up. He's 18. He's legal. But she was 24. I think so. Okay, we're good. It was mine. [00:01:48] Speaker B: You're good. You're good. [00:01:49] Speaker A: But then she said she had a boyfriend. When my mom asked about. She was just, like, trying to not, like, ask for us, but she. She, like, sneakily had asked, like, how old are you? [00:01:58] Speaker B: Yeah, girl. [00:01:58] Speaker A: And she was like, oh, yeah, blah, blah. And then talking about Brandon's age, like, guessing. And he was like, 20. She guessed that he was 20, and it was about his facial hair. And she said something. I don't remember because I tuned her out, but she said something about a boyfriend. And then I was just like, well. [00:02:14] Speaker B: All right, I don't listen to you anyways, but I'm really not listening. [00:02:18] Speaker A: I'm kidding. Totally kidding. But anyways, March. It's March, which brings me to the point that settled down has a bracket challenge. You can win up to $100. Go fill out a bracket. The link will be in the bio or in the bio in the description of the video or listening on Spotify. Enter that. It's free entry. You get a hundred bucks if you pick. Right. And you're the number one leader. So it's free money at that point. [00:02:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:44] Speaker A: Like, why would you not. [00:02:45] Speaker B: I actually came pretty damn close to winning that last year, which is crazy because I don't pay attention to colle basketball at all. I didn't even know what teams were in the tournament. Right. And I just hit. I think when I filled out my bracket, I just hit pick highest seed for every single and I was like fourth in points or something like that, which is crazy. [00:03:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:03:03] Speaker B: Yukon won last year, right? [00:03:05] Speaker A: I think so. I don't know. I'm not. [00:03:07] Speaker B: I believe they did. [00:03:09] Speaker A: Yes. Them. Was it Purdue? No. I don't know. [00:03:13] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:03:13] Speaker A: I don't know. I don't even know who's in the tournament really. This year. I'm gonna go for St. John's this year because their coach is hilarious and that's my basis. [00:03:22] Speaker B: San Jose State in the tournament. No, damn. It was. [00:03:26] Speaker A: They didn't make it either. They lost. [00:03:27] Speaker B: Really? [00:03:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:03:28] Speaker B: BSE normally pretty good basketball. [00:03:31] Speaker A: They can be. [00:03:32] Speaker C: They've. [00:03:32] Speaker A: They've made the. They've never won in the tournament. So. Yeah, not very good. But yeah. Go join that free hundred dollars. Make sure you're following. Settle down on Instagram though. And you won't get your prize if you're not following them. So join that. But we've got some pretty, pretty heated. We've got a heated call to race. We're going to talk about. We've got Aaron Ekblad who got suspended. We're going to talk about. And then some potential records that we could be seeing broken just this year outside of ov. But first things first. Aaron Ekblad got caught using performance enhancing drugs. Steroids. Back. This was like right after we filmed. I think on. [00:04:14] Speaker B: It was the day after. [00:04:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:04:16] Speaker A: Last week. [00:04:17] Speaker B: Yeah, just missed it. Just missed it. [00:04:20] Speaker A: It always happens whenever there's like a big episode. It's always like, wow, that was awesome. And then there's some bigger piece of news that came out. So hopefully nothing like that happens this week, but probably will. But yeah. Aaron Ekblad suspended 20 games. The Panthers had 18 games left in the season at that point. So he can return Game three of the Stanley cup playoffs, round one, which I think, you know, Panthers are in a good spot and I don't think he's really going to hurt them. But they did get Seth Jones and there's a conspiracy we're going to put our tinfoil hats on here. Conspiracy that Florida knew that he was going to get caught and they went out and got Seth Jones. Could be true. But I also think that they needed Seth Jones. [00:05:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:03] Speaker A: You've always. [00:05:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:04] Speaker A: Just a strong defenseman. [00:05:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:07] Speaker A: But, yeah, I mean, what do you think about him getting suspended like that? [00:05:12] Speaker B: So from my understanding, it was something that he was taking to get over an injury, to recover from an injury, which I think should be looked at a little bit different than just juicing. [00:05:25] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:05:25] Speaker B: Right. Because these guys, they. They go through all sorts of. They put their bodies through all sorts of. And especially somebody like Aaron Eck Bladders had kind of a injury riddled career. [00:05:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:05:38] Speaker B: You got to do something to get better. [00:05:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:05:40] Speaker B: We don't pay to watch. You know, I don't pay for like 4 different subscriptions to watch NHL. Not watch the best players in the world play. Yeah. I think it should be looked at a little bit different as just straight using the steroids because we want to see like imagine it's Connor McDavid. Right. And he's got some major injury and nobody's going to want to watch the Edmonton Oilers if they can't watch Connor McDavid. Right. [00:06:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:06:03] Speaker B: Let the guys get better. [00:06:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:06:05] Speaker B: You know. Yeah. And especially they're already. You get NHL players, former NHL players, they get addicted to all sorts of painkillers. [00:06:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:06:14] Speaker B: Because they're trying to get over an injury. [00:06:16] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:06:16] Speaker B: If a steroid helps them get better. [00:06:19] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:06:19] Speaker B: And like actually better. Not just playing through pain. Why not do it? [00:06:23] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I think it should. There. There was. I think in baseball, Fernando Tatis Jr. Got caught using steroids and it gets like that label where it's like, oh, he's using performance enhancing drugs, Stu. Stuff like that. [00:06:35] Speaker B: He's a cheater. [00:06:36] Speaker A: Yeah, he's a cheater. When it's like, if you're trying to get over an injury, I am kind of okay with it. If there's got to be. And again, I'm not gonna make the rule here, but like, if there's a way the NHL can monitor it or like there's like a health department they can administer or like through the team doctor. Like, you can't go off on the street and buy. [00:06:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:57] Speaker A: Steroids to go fix yourself. He's not putting needle in his ass, I'm assuming. I'm assuming it's probably a pill or something he's taken. I personally think it should be okay to use that in order to get over an injury because, like, like you said, we don't want to watch these guys get riddled with injuries and then turns out to what it could have been when it's like, look how far we are in medicine. Like, why can't they do that? [00:07:21] Speaker B: Do you remember Derek Boogard? Yes. So sad story. If anybody isn't familiar out there. Basically this guy was. He played for the Minnesota Wild and I believe the early 20th, late 2000s, early 2000s. And he was only out there to fight, like, big bruiser guy. And he got addicted to. I believe it was oxycodone and overdose and died. [00:07:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:07:48] Speaker B: Sad story. Nobody wants to see that happen. These zero people. [00:07:53] Speaker A: Painkillers. [00:07:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:54] Speaker A: Like, they are. [00:07:54] Speaker B: Every single one of them is on some sort of pain. If there's some, like, steroid that can help them get overcome injuries. [00:08:00] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:08:00] Speaker B: Quicker or something like that. If that's really all it was, why is that a bad thing? Why is that a problem? I really don't get it. [00:08:07] Speaker A: I think, like, it comes to a point where obviously we don't want, like. Because there are negative sides of like, like. [00:08:15] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:08:18] Speaker A: Stuff like that. Like testosterone boosters. Like, there's negative sides to that. And I'm not saying that they should be go out MLB steroid. It'd be fun. Don't get me wrong. [00:08:26] Speaker B: I think they should. [00:08:27] Speaker A: I think it'd be pretty fun. [00:08:28] Speaker B: But viewers, fans, who doesn't want to see OV on just a boatload of steroids just skating around, beating the shit out of people, flying around, throwing big bodies, taking slap shots from the blue line that are going in every single time? Who doesn't want to see that? [00:08:44] Speaker A: Dude, Imagine like back in the day, Patrick Kane almost on steroids. [00:08:49] Speaker B: 5 11. Like Connor Bedard. Yeah. Jacked. Yeah. That'd be sick. Who doesn't want to see that? [00:08:54] Speaker A: Yeah. Conrad D'Arts getting pushed around. [00:08:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:57] Speaker A: Could use it. [00:08:58] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:08:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:08:59] Speaker B: I'm not entirely serious about that, but I'm also not entirely kidding about that. Like, it'd be really fun to see. [00:09:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:09:06] Speaker B: Like, listen, Barry Bonds isn't in the Baseball hall of Fame because apparently steroids are so bad that he wouldn't, you know, still be an insanely good baseball player if he wasn't using steroids, even though he was good before that. Who doesn't want to see a bunch of NHL players just juiced out of their juice to the gills. [00:09:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:09:24] Speaker B: Right. On EPO, they can skate for, like, 10 minutes. [00:09:27] Speaker A: Straight fights would be insane. Oh, my gosh. [00:09:30] Speaker B: What's called the roid rage. [00:09:31] Speaker A: Roy Rage people get. No, but yeah, it would. Like, getting back to serious. Like, it would be like, we're not advocating for the steroids that make you get Roy. [00:09:47] Speaker B: Obi's pissed off, flies into Connor McDavid, full speed, just destroys. That'd be hilarious. [00:09:52] Speaker A: It would be. [00:09:52] Speaker B: And then McDavid could use some steroids to get better from that injury that he would obtain. And it's perfect. [00:09:59] Speaker A: Yeah, it is. Yeah. Like, I think these players, like, using medicines come a long way. And it's like, if these players can maybe, I don't know, sit out, like, if they're not actively playing, they can take these administered steroids by the league to help them get over an injury. Once they're playing, they can't be taking it. Like, it's not like you can play through an injury using it. Right? Yeah, No, I don't think that's allowed. But if they were to have it in a way, and I'm not, again, I'm not trying to make the rule here on what it should be, but I'm just saying NHL figure it out, maybe, and try it out. Do I think it's going to happen? Probably not, but. And it's also hard to say because, like, yeah, Ekblood said he took something to get over an injury. How true is that? We don't know. But, I mean, I think that's why it's like, okay, if it's administered by the team doctor and they're going through it, I just think it's a slippery slope and hard to. [00:10:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:58] Speaker A: Like, figure out what's what. But I think nowadays, with how medicine is, like, I don't know, I just feel like there's something they can do to help these players get over injuries. Just with what we have available. [00:11:10] Speaker B: If there truly is some sort of substance that primarily helps players overcome an injury and heal from an injury, it's something that the NHL should look into because nobody wants to see you look at Carrie Price. He had the same issue. Thankfully, it didn't get to the point where Derek Boogard was at, but he had the same issue where got addicted to substances because he was. He couldn't get over an injury. Right. Yeah. That massive knee injury in 2015 that basically ruined his career. Derailed his career. [00:11:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:41] Speaker B: Nobody wants to see that. [00:11:42] Speaker C: No. [00:11:43] Speaker B: You have A goalie like Carrie Price. You want to watch him play. [00:11:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:11:45] Speaker B: You don't. You don't want to see him out for months and months injured. [00:11:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:11:49] Speaker B: So I want to see. [00:11:50] Speaker A: And I get, like, in sports, like LeBron, for example, like, he's always been. Not injured. [00:11:57] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:57] Speaker A: Watch him, like, jinx him now. But he's always been. Yeah, he's always been like the. Like a healthy. He's 40 years old. I also don't know that that guy's not on something, but. [00:12:09] Speaker B: Oh, I'm sure he is. [00:12:10] Speaker A: Yeah. But it's like, if. If they're doing that to, like, keep them physically fit and it's not bad for their health long term. I think it should be okay. But that's where it gets tricky. [00:12:20] Speaker B: It's like, this is also. This is a whole conspiracy and a whole conversation in and of itself. Most athletes are on some sort of substance. [00:12:31] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:12:32] Speaker B: They just are. Like when. When you see UFC fighters get popped for steroids. [00:12:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:12:37] Speaker B: Every single UFC fighter is on some sort of steroids. [00:12:40] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:12:41] Speaker B: Every single one of them. Football players get caught, too. It's like these dudes are like, you know, they're huge guys. Right. Obviously, they take care of their bodies, but if you're 6, 7 2, 70, and pure muscle. [00:12:53] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:12:54] Speaker B: You're. You're not natural. [00:12:56] Speaker C: No. [00:12:56] Speaker B: Odds are you are not natural. [00:12:57] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:12:58] Speaker B: And it's the same way with hockey players. They're all in cocaine. They're all taking cocaine. How is that any worse than apo. It does the same thing. Right. Except it's worse for you. [00:13:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:13:07] Speaker B: So I don't get why. I think there needs to be some more research done into what is safe for players to take. That will not give them at least too much of an unfair advantage. [00:13:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:13:21] Speaker B: But, like, safer options. When you have guys getting caught left and right, it seems like doing cocaine with massive cocaine problems in the NHL. [00:13:29] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:13:30] Speaker B: That's the problem. You have former players talking about how everybody's on coke. [00:13:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:13:34] Speaker B: It's just. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I don't think. [00:13:38] Speaker A: I think it should be at least monitored by the NHL in some sort of way. [00:13:43] Speaker B: We should free Aaron Ekblad. Yeah. The moral of the story is free Aaron, act black. [00:13:49] Speaker A: Yeah. Assuming he's telling the truth, like, if it's for an injury trying to get better, I think any player should be allowed to do that. [00:13:55] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:13:57] Speaker A: I think ultimately, though, I don't think the NHL is ever going to allow that just because how tricky it can get. And, like, what is illegal what's not. But at the same time, like, there already is legal steroids that people can use that won't get caught. Like, stuff like that. So it's like, why not do something to help these players get better and fix their bodies and not take fucking OxyContin or. [00:14:21] Speaker B: Why does whatever they test for. For doping. Why don't they test for cocaine? Yeah, that's. That's a. That's a PED itself. Yeah. And you got guys getting caught because they post an Instagram story about it. [00:14:33] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:14:34] Speaker B: How do you not know that? How do you not know that ahead of time? [00:14:37] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know. [00:14:38] Speaker B: It just. It's stupid. [00:14:40] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:14:40] Speaker A: I think. I mean, even weed, too. Like, I'm sure. I don't think the NHL test for. For weed does it. [00:14:49] Speaker B: I highly doubt it. [00:14:50] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't think it does. But, like, that could be considered a performance enhancing drug because they can get hurt as easily. Yeah, like, they can. It's a painkiller. Kind of legal painkiller, depending on what state you're in. [00:15:04] Speaker B: Not in the state of Idaho. [00:15:05] Speaker A: Not ours. Not ours. But no, it's like. I mean, I'm sure those players are, you know, using that and you could. I think there was a sprinter in the Olympics a couple years ago. She got caught with marijuana use and that was considered performance enhancing drug, which. Yeah, sure. Like, mentally, maybe, I guess. [00:15:26] Speaker B: Wasn't. There was some. Oh, gosh. Who was it? I don't know. There's like some. Some sporting qualifications qualify weed as performance enhancing drug because it helps with recovery. It can help with recovery. [00:15:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:15:46] Speaker B: Some don't. It's just like, why don't you. Why isn't there some sort of. Just across the board, like, yeah, this is allowed. This is not. Yeah, I just think it's. It's. [00:15:55] Speaker A: I think the fact that it's a federally illegal drug probably gets help that gets in the way of it. But look at us. We're being. We're political here. [00:16:05] Speaker B: Exactly are. [00:16:09] Speaker A: All right. But yeah, I mean, ultimately, Aaron Ekblad's situation, I think you got caught. Like, you just got to take the suspension on the head. He's going to be back game three in the Stanley cup playoffs. Probably going to play the Leafs or. No. Who's leading the Atlantic right now? [00:16:30] Speaker B: It's like, back. [00:16:32] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:16:32] Speaker A: I think Panthers will probably finish second and they'll play the third team, which. [00:16:36] Speaker B: Will be the Lightning. Probably. [00:16:38] Speaker A: Lightning. [00:16:38] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:16:39] Speaker A: Again or no. Well, yeah, they played each other last year. [00:16:43] Speaker B: Sorry, we're way off. Florida's in first, Tampa's second, Toronto's third. Okay. That's like a nightmare situation for Toronto. They really have to be first. Yeah. You don't want to play Florida or Tampa in the first round. [00:16:57] Speaker A: I'll give them. I mean even the Rangers. [00:16:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:59] Speaker A: It'd be tough anyways. But you have. You had told me before we were recording the potential records that could be broken this season. [00:17:08] Speaker B: Yes. [00:17:08] Speaker A: We have the OV record. Obviously everyone's been eyeing on. He is eight goals away now after scoring on the Sharks. [00:17:15] Speaker B: Sick. There's a ton of records. OV needs eight goals in his last 15 games. That would put him as the first or the number one goal scorer of all time will pass Gretzky leon could reach 60 goals. He needs 11 goals in his final 15 games. What I find craziest about that stat, that is the fourth year in a row, if he, if he can get there, that we have had a 60 goal score. [00:17:40] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:17:41] Speaker B: I don't. I mean the NHL is. Has not been that highly scoring in our lifetimes since Green. [00:17:47] Speaker A: And Gretzky was probably the one doing it all. [00:17:49] Speaker B: I can almost guarantee it was Gretzky Lemieux. [00:17:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:17:52] Speaker B: With the last time that there was a 60 goal scorer. Four years in a row. Yeah. Because I remember the cap era. That, that or the highest record was 65. And by Ovi it was like 0809. [00:18:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:18:06] Speaker B: I think. And that was the only guy. He was the only guy to score 60. [00:18:11] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:18:11] Speaker B: Then Stammer did it in 2012 and then nobody else came close. [00:18:15] Speaker C: No. [00:18:15] Speaker B: And four years in a row. Yeah. [00:18:17] Speaker A: Because I had Matthews. [00:18:19] Speaker B: So that's pretty nuts. Kale McCarr needs five goals in his last 14 games to score 30 goals. It'd be pretty crazy to see a 30 gold defenseman. [00:18:29] Speaker A: That would be. [00:18:30] Speaker B: I don't remember. I think Brent Burns got close one year. I don't think he ever did it. [00:18:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:18:35] Speaker A: Well, imagine being a 30 goal scorer. You're on the same level as 40 goal scorer Cole Caufield. [00:18:40] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. So basically Carr, if he scores five goals, he scores 40 goals. [00:18:45] Speaker C: Yes. [00:18:46] Speaker B: Even though only be at 30 goals. Yes. So that's pretty nuts. [00:18:52] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:18:53] Speaker A: No 30 gold defenseman would be crazy. I mean, I feel like Brent Burns did it, but that was when he was a forward. I'm sure. [00:18:59] Speaker B: I. I think he only scored like 28 or 29. I don't think he ever hit 30. [00:19:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:19:03] Speaker B: I might be wrong on that. But let's see here. Cole Hudson could win the rookie scoring race if he keeps or Cole. Oh, it's Lane Hudson. This page I'm reading on is wrong. Lane Hudson could win the rookie scoring race. He would be the second defenseman since the year 1989 to do so. Only Quinn Hughes has won the rookie scoring race as defenseman since 1989. So it'd be pretty crazy to see. Crosby could get his 20th point per game season, which would put him most consecutive all time and most all time. [00:19:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:19:43] Speaker B: Surpassing. Gretzky needs seven points in his last 13 games, which at the level he's playing on, it's going to happen. [00:19:50] Speaker C: Yep. [00:19:50] Speaker B: Which is pretty nuts. Helly could hit 90 points again, which would be pretty insane. He did. I think he had like 93 points last year, which is just to see him doing that in his, you know, later years of his career is. Is just nuts. [00:20:05] Speaker A: Impressive. [00:20:06] Speaker B: And then the last one and one of the more impressive ones. Connor Hellebuck could break the single season wins record if he wins 10 of Winnipeg's final 14 games of the season. Now, I don't know if he's going to play all 14 games the remainder of the season. They're already pretty comfortably in first in the, in in the Central. The Central Division. I was thinking Metro Division. I'm like, wait, they're on the East. I'm all over the place today. Yeah, that's kind of nuts. I don't know if he'll actually play all 14 games. Yeah, maybe he plays 10 wins. 10. [00:20:46] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:20:46] Speaker B: He's that good. That he might. [00:20:48] Speaker A: True. [00:20:48] Speaker B: He'd be passing Braden Holtby and Martin Britter share that record at 48 wins. He has 39 right now. Wow. So it's, it's very possible he does. And you know, they're still fighting it out with Washington for the President's Trophy, so I could see him starting. They want to get as much of a lead as possible as they can in that. That Central Division. Be the best team possible. But they're already pretty comfortably in first. [00:21:13] Speaker A: The issue with pushing like that and trying to get him a win is like we see it year after year. The Rangers win the President's Trophy. [00:21:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:23] Speaker A: Boom. Fall apart in the playoffs. [00:21:24] Speaker B: The Bruins when the President's last year. [00:21:26] Speaker A: The jets last year. Yeah, exactly. Like they were so good. And the problem is you push that hard in the regular season. Playoff hockey is just so much different. And I think for Hellbrook especially, who just has not performed in the playoffs like you need him to. I'm not sold on the Jets. I never will be. Just like the Leafs until they can actually do something, until they lift that cup over their head. Frankly, they, okay, if they were to make the third round or fourth round, I'll be sold the next year. Yeah, okay, they can make a run. But until that happens, just like the Leafs, I'm going to just be like, I just don't trust them. I'm not going to put them in my bracket to go far. [00:22:05] Speaker B: So I find it kind of crazy. They, if I'm doing this math right, could set the all time win record as a team. What did Boston get that one? One season they had 62 wins or 63 something wins single season. Sorry, I have to look this. [00:22:30] Speaker A: Yeah, I think, I mean, I don't know if you want to repeat. [00:22:36] Speaker B: Never mind what happened. [00:22:37] Speaker A: What? [00:22:38] Speaker B: Bost won 65 games this season. If they win out, that puts them at 61 wins for whatever reason. I thought it was 60, but they kind of reminded me of that Boston team where it's like, yeah, as it sits right now, they're going to be playing Vancouver in the first round. I don't know if Vancouver would be the team to beat them, but they're tied with St. Louis in the standings. [00:23:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:23:09] Speaker B: Or like Utah could still get in. They're at 71 points, banker is at 73. That, at the end of the day, that race is so tight. [00:23:18] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:23:19] Speaker B: Between those, those three teams sitting on the outside looking in, who knows if some crazy shit happens. And you know, Winnipeg is already known for falling apart in the playoffs, so. [00:23:29] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:23:31] Speaker A: So I saw something today also. Sharks have officially been eliminated from playoff contention. [00:23:36] Speaker B: Wow. I thought, I thought it was still going to happen. I had hope. [00:23:42] Speaker A: That's crazy. I mean, if they had won out the rest of the year, would that mean that they're in? That's crazy. But, yeah, they've officially been eliminated. But on the bright side, as Sharks fans, we're going to look at the bright side here. We're rebuilding. And I want to say at this point, last year when they got eliminated, they were at 39 points. Now they're at 45 points. So slowly but surely in the right direction. And like we've said all year, like, we are the worst team, but we're having the most fun. [00:24:13] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. [00:24:14] Speaker A: Having the most fun as the worst team, you know, which you don't want to get. These guys used to losing and I don't think they are. They're all competitive hockey players. I think, like we've said one more year of the Sharks being bad, even next year, like, if we're not on the bottom next year. I won't be upset just because I feel like we have enough draft capital that, you know, couldn't hurt. But maybe get a shot at Gavin McKenna would be awesome. But I don't think we really need it. [00:24:46] Speaker B: Yeah. No. [00:24:46] Speaker A: Can't afford it either. [00:24:47] Speaker B: Like how the hell are you going. [00:24:49] Speaker A: To looking at our future? Yeah. It's like okay, you got celebrity Smith, Dickinson, Musty Askarov. Like those are all guys that are going to be making over 7 over 10 at minimum. At minimum. Hopefully we can get a good deal. Yeah. Get a team friendly deal there. [00:25:07] Speaker B: But who knows. It's one of those. [00:25:10] Speaker A: And then if we get another, you know, Matthew Schaefer like defensemen are going at a premium now and we have a pretty good prospect pool on defense now. But just need him finish it off really. [00:25:22] Speaker B: But it's just. I don't know how the hell they're going to. It's funny. The Sharks are the only team eliminated. The Blackhawks are four point ahead of us. [00:25:31] Speaker A: What's funny is we. [00:25:32] Speaker B: I don't think the playoffs either. [00:25:36] Speaker A: Expert pick here. Expert pick. We have officially called that the Chicago Blackhawks are going to be eliminated from playoff contention. And the National Predators. [00:25:44] Speaker B: I wonder how much money I'd have to put right now on the Blackhawks missing the playoffs to actually turn a profit. [00:25:51] Speaker A: 100 bucks. Their odds are probably minus 10,000 if that's even a bet. Like I don't even know if you can bet on that. [00:25:56] Speaker B: But I'm sure you can on some sketchy sports book. [00:26:00] Speaker A: True. [00:26:00] Speaker B: I can look. And then the second day you put money on it, you're going to lose somehow. The Blackhawks are going to go on a tear for the next 15 games. But. [00:26:08] Speaker A: But sports betting is not legal in our state. So we're not condoning any of that. [00:26:11] Speaker B: Oh yeah. It's not that. My bad. [00:26:13] Speaker A: We're not condoning any of it. [00:26:14] Speaker B: Idaho. I'm not. Sports betting. Yeah. [00:26:17] Speaker A: All right. [00:26:18] Speaker C: But yeah. [00:26:19] Speaker A: Little Sharks tidbit there. Is that all the records that. [00:26:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:24] Speaker A: Be broken. [00:26:26] Speaker B: Yeah. This season has just been very interesting. I would have never guessed that the Washington. Remember at the beginning of the season when I called the Washington Capitals frauds? Yeah. They are in second place by nine points. Wow. They lead in the league. [00:26:46] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:26:46] Speaker B: They lead the Dallas Stars who are currently in third place in the league by nine points. It's 87 to 96. [00:26:55] Speaker A: I mean the Capitals. I'll give it to them. Like from what I've heard, I keep repeating this but they have a tight locker room. And from what I know in hockey, when you have a tight locker room, anything you have, you have a good team, especially playoffs. And you've got Alex Ovechkin who's trying. [00:27:10] Speaker B: To scored against the Sharks too. [00:27:12] Speaker A: Yeah, he did. [00:27:12] Speaker B: Wasn't Empty Netter either. [00:27:14] Speaker A: Nope. Good goal. But yeah, I think it's, it's going to be interesting watching them in playoffs. I mean, we haven't. I kind of thought really the last time probably since they won that they've actually had a chance to really do any. Every time they've made the playoffs, I'm always like, okay, yeah, you're gonna get bounced. [00:27:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:27:37] Speaker A: So. But this year, I don't know, we could see something crazy. But if they get the President's trophy, they could be bouncing the first round. [00:27:43] Speaker B: Crazy turn of events though. I remember last season they made the, they made the playoffs with a negative goal differential, which was like wild. First of all, they're the most fraudulent team to make the playoffs where like this team fall apart. [00:27:57] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:27:58] Speaker B: Obi's gonna get traded or he's gonna live out the rest of his career being mediocre in or bad. [00:28:05] Speaker A: He's like 25 year old Obi now. [00:28:07] Speaker B: Yeah, he's. I think I saw. He would be on pace in a full season to put up like 58 goals. Fucking nuts. [00:28:14] Speaker A: That's crazy. [00:28:15] Speaker B: He's. That guy is insane. Let's see here real quick. He's currently tied for fifth with Posternach and Thompson with 34 goals right now. And yeah, I think we were looking at it last week. Like the oldest guy on this list is like Kyle Conner or. No, it's Mark scheifele. He's like 31. [00:28:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:28:37] Speaker B: And Obi's seven years older than him, eight years older than him and he's. He's still hanging around with those guys. [00:28:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:28:42] Speaker A: It's crazy question for you then. Mount Rushmore of hockey. You get four, four names up there. If OVI breaks this record, is he on that Mount Rushmore? [00:28:52] Speaker B: Now that's a great question. Maybe it's because, I don't know, maybe it's because I hate the Bruins. I've never been a huge, like Bobby or a fan. [00:29:07] Speaker A: Really. [00:29:08] Speaker B: I've never thought like, yes. Would he revolutionize the game? Sure. [00:29:11] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:29:12] Speaker B: But like, you look at his stats and he was leading the league in the worst era of hockey. [00:29:18] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:29:18] Speaker B: He was the best player in the world in the worst era of hockey. [00:29:20] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:29:23] Speaker B: I don't know if I see him up There I think the. The three for certain way know Mario Lemieux and I think Sidney Crosby's on that list now. [00:29:32] Speaker A: I agree. [00:29:33] Speaker B: I don't know if OVI bumps him off. Bumps Bobby or off, but I think he might. Yeah. [00:29:39] Speaker A: Because you could also put, I mean, Gordie Howe, Gordy Howe. [00:29:42] Speaker B: But Gordie Howe just played forever though. [00:29:45] Speaker A: That's. [00:29:46] Speaker B: Yeah, you get a shit on it on every single old head. Hockey fans like ye. Yeah, their. Their dream player. Right. But Gordie Howe played until he's like 50. [00:29:54] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:29:55] Speaker B: If OV plays till he's 50, he's gonna have like 1200 goals. [00:29:58] Speaker A: Yeah, well, it's like, I mean, I love Yagura. Yaga is a great player, but like it's kind of the same case where. [00:30:03] Speaker B: It'S like he also played for. He played until he was 44 in the NHL and like, yes, he was great. He was only the best player in the world for like one season. Yeah, two seasons. But Jumbo beating him out for the Art Ross. No.506. He just played forever. [00:30:19] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:30:20] Speaker B: And he played on every single team imaginable. Yes, he was good, but like, he's one of the best players of all time. [00:30:26] Speaker A: But like, that's what's so tough about the Mount Rushmore. I feel like for the name Mount Rushmore, you think of our Mount Rushmore, it's four like founding fathers of a country. If you're going to put four founding fathers of the game of hockey, yes. Wayne Gretzky's on there. [00:30:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:40] Speaker A: Mario Lemieux, Gordy Howe and Bobby are all on there. They're founding fathers of the game of hockey. But there's going to be something where in the next couple decades when you've got names like Connor McDavid, you got to put up there. Sidney Crosby, Alex Ovechkin, like, and they're playing in the golden era, golden age of hockey. And they're putting up not Gretzky level stats, but damn near Gretzky level stats. [00:31:04] Speaker B: OV has nine. Rocket Richards. [00:31:06] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, it's against goalies that can save, against goalies that can actually play the position. [00:31:12] Speaker B: And best goalies who have ever played in the NHL. The worst goalie in the NHL today would be an All Star in the 80s. [00:31:19] Speaker C: Yes. [00:31:19] Speaker B: Right. And yes, the styles are wildly different, but like Aiden Hill would be nasty in the 80s. So it's like, I don't know, it's that the talent level is so different. Obviously you can't compare arrows, but you're taught when you Talk about Alex Ovechkin. You're talking about the greatest goal scorer of all time, even though you can't compare errors. [00:31:38] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:31:38] Speaker B: He is so far and away ahead of the next best guy of this era we talked about a couple weeks ago. He's like 270 goals ahead of Sidney Crosby, who's in second. And that's also one of the greatest players ever. [00:31:50] Speaker C: Yeah, it's. [00:31:52] Speaker A: It's one of those. Like with OV2, like, everyone wants to talk about the empty net merchant or. [00:31:57] Speaker B: The scored 60 of them. [00:31:59] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:32:00] Speaker B: And it's a lot harder to score goals now than it was in the 80s. [00:32:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:32:03] Speaker A: And he's not. Maybe I don't even know about this season. I don't know the exact number. But regardless, like, Wayne Gretzky's not far behind him. Empty net total goals, I think we. [00:32:12] Speaker B: Looked at 62 to 57. [00:32:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:32:14] Speaker B: So. And. And Gretzky. 894 of his. 894 goals were empty net goals. [00:32:19] Speaker A: Yeah. It's like those goalies were not doing. [00:32:22] Speaker B: Those goalies aren't doing. [00:32:23] Speaker A: They're standing up. Those goalies. Their job was to. [00:32:27] Speaker B: Yes. [00:32:28] Speaker A: They didn't go down and butterfly like, and if they did, it was on one knee. [00:32:32] Speaker B: He had goalies skating out to the blue line to pass the puck up the defenseman. They were just the six defensemen out there. They weren't doing shit. [00:32:38] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:32:38] Speaker B: So it's just. I don't know, the fact that he is so far ahead in goal scoring of anybody else in this era. It's. Gretzky likes that. [00:32:49] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:32:50] Speaker B: Right. 270 goals is a fantastic career. In the NHL, you scored 270 goals. As long as you get assists occasionally. [00:32:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:32:58] Speaker B: You're probably scoring 5, 600 points, right? [00:33:00] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:33:01] Speaker B: That's like. I want. I need to look now how many goals Chris Kreider has in his NHL career. But it's probably. So he's probably has like 300 goals in NHL. Logan Couture. Right. As a Sharks fan, he's had a good long career, Right? [00:33:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:33:14] Speaker B: I don't think he has 270 goals. It's. It's insane. He's that far ahead of the next best guy. [00:33:20] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:33:20] Speaker B: And the next best guy is 600 something goals. It's nuts. [00:33:23] Speaker A: And O had to deal with two lockouts in a coveted shortened season. [00:33:27] Speaker B: He'd be at a thousand. He'd probably be at a thousand by now, which is nuts. [00:33:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:33] Speaker B: Especially that. That shortened season he was coming off or the. The first lockout. His Next season he put up 52 goals, something like that. 53 goals. Which is like you would have said. Yeah, he would have been, you know, 19. He probably would have scored 40. Yeah, right. It's just. It's insane to think about that is at the beginning I said, I don't know if I'd put him up there, but I think I probably would. He's was a pioneer of the greatest era of hockey. [00:34:01] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:34:01] Speaker B: He was always at least number two. [00:34:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:34:04] Speaker B: Which is insane because you're talking about the guy that he was ahead of sometimes. [00:34:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:34:08] Speaker B: Was Sidney Crosby. I'm pretty sure he has more heart trophies than Sidney Crosby. Yeah, I think he has four. Sid has three. Yeah, there might be three and two, but still, it's just insane. I think he's up there with. [00:34:20] Speaker A: Yeah, he's got a cup, too. Like, there's no. [00:34:21] Speaker B: His cup is Con Smyth. He's won everything that he, as a player could possibly win. It's not like he's going out there and, you know, winning the lady being or the selkie. But. Yeah. Yeah. It's just insane. He's. [00:34:36] Speaker A: I think, like the. Like you had said, like taking Bobby or off or Gordie Howe off. Like, it's a tough thing to do, but there's going to be a point where it's like, I'm Sorry, but Connor McDavid, assuming he finishes out his career the way he's been doing. [00:34:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:50] Speaker A: Amazing. Auston Matthews, too. If he keeps scoring the way he's scoring. [00:34:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:54] Speaker A: He could knock off ovi. [00:34:55] Speaker B: Exactly. It's one of those things. Babe Ruth. I'm not a huge baseball guy, but Babe Ruth is still seen as one of the greatest players ever in baseball. [00:35:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:35:06] Speaker B: That guy played in the 1910s. [00:35:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:35:08] Speaker B: Baseball was not baseball when he played baseball. [00:35:11] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:35:11] Speaker A: It's why he's the greatest. [00:35:13] Speaker B: Shohei Ohtani is better than him by a mile. Right. Yeah, it's. Why are we still considering that guy the greatest of all time? Gordie Howe played in the 50s. [00:35:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:35:22] Speaker B: We played right after World War II. It was completely different sport back then. [00:35:29] Speaker A: That's where it just gets hard to argue arrows. Because it's like, yeah, the nine hole hitter on the Chicago White Sox, the worst team in the MLB, is probably better than baby. [00:35:38] Speaker B: 10 times the player Babe Ruth could have ever been. [00:35:40] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:35:40] Speaker B: Babe Ruth was fat and smoked cigarettes. [00:35:43] Speaker A: He was smoking cigarettes. He had time to smoke a cigar. Not a cigarette, a cigar on the plate. I'm sorry, but like, it's just. [00:35:51] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:35:51] Speaker A: Eras are so tough. And like, yeah. I feel like when we are in our elder years, people are going to say, oh, Matthe Mitchkov is this and that. Like, oh, you never watched Alex Ovech. [00:36:02] Speaker B: You never watched Bribe Alex Ovech. [00:36:05] Speaker A: I get it. But at the same time, it's like the game's going to keep progressing and I'm sure there's for any older people listening and, you know, hating that we're talking about Gordy Howe so bad. He's a great player. But I'm sure there's your grandparents that watched hockey. There was a player like, I can't even think of one. [00:36:24] Speaker B: Johnny Bauer. They're like, what is this? Butterfly goalie. You need to stand up. [00:36:29] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:36:30] Speaker B: Like, bro. [00:36:31] Speaker A: Yeah. And there's. Yeah. [00:36:32] Speaker C: Like, yeah. [00:36:33] Speaker A: Just. [00:36:34] Speaker B: It's just. [00:36:35] Speaker A: It's changing. Times are changing and I think that Mount Rushmore is going to be chiseled with some new faces in the next couple of years. [00:36:42] Speaker B: It's. You can't. You can't have the greatest goal scorer of all time off of your go, off of your goat list, off your Mount Rushmore. Like, that doesn't make any sense. I'm not saying take away Wayne Gretzky because no one's the greatest goal scorer. [00:36:55] Speaker C: No. [00:36:56] Speaker B: But like, yeah, Gordie Howe, insane stats. He's the greatest player of his era. Right. They don't measure up to today. Yeah, the stats don't measure up to today. A and B, he played for 30 years. I'm pretty sure he played in three different decades or four different decades. Yeah, he played like, pro hockey in like four different decades because he came back in the. It was either the late 70s or the early 80s to play with his son. [00:37:18] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:37:19] Speaker B: And it's like, is that a testament and insane. Absolutely. Right. But people are talking about how Patrick Marlee shouldn't be in the hall of Fame because he was just a. Is a game. Like a game hog. [00:37:30] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:37:31] Speaker B: Right. [00:37:32] Speaker A: He's got 500 goals. [00:37:33] Speaker B: Gordie Howe, bro, he played 1700 hockey games. Like, 1800 points. Like, it's not like he was that much better than him. [00:37:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:37:41] Speaker B: It's just. Yeah. [00:37:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:43] Speaker B: That might be a wild take that could get some. A lot of hate on the Internet, but it's not this. Yeah. [00:37:48] Speaker A: In this day. But I mean, honestly. [00:37:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:37:50] Speaker A: It's just. It's so hard to argue that. And like, I think as time goes on, I think it'll be more recognized once he's out of the league and retired. People can admire greatness. It's like LeBron or Tom. Like, I hated Tom Brady watching him in the NFL. [00:38:05] Speaker B: Yep. [00:38:05] Speaker A: Hated him. But now I look back and I'm like, that guy's the goat. [00:38:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:09] Speaker A: Love Joe Montana. [00:38:10] Speaker B: Greatness every single stroke. Yeah. [00:38:11] Speaker A: He's not. [00:38:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:12] Speaker A: It's Tom Brady. So. Yeah, I think it's just. It's a. It's a tough argument, but some of those things. [00:38:18] Speaker B: People hate Patrick Mahomes today, But, yeah, in 20 years, we're going to be looking back like, Patrick Mahomes was so good. [00:38:25] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:38:26] Speaker B: And I am a number one hater. Patrick Mahomes. I'm a 49ers fan. I've watched him beat us twice in the Super Bowl. That pisses me off. But, yeah, it's just some of those things are. It's like people are going to hate on greatness in the moment and 30 years down the line. I miss watching OV play. Yep. I miss watching those slap shot goals from. From the top of that point, from the top of the circle. [00:38:47] Speaker A: And maybe that's our thing, too. Like, we didn't watch Bobby or we didn't. Like, I watched highlights. I had like, movies of Bobby or I have a Bobby or Jersey. I love Bobby Orr. But it's going to come to a point where it's like, Kale McCarr might knock him off that list. If Kale McCarr scores 30 goals in a season in the best era of. [00:39:04] Speaker B: Hockey, you can't say that he Kill Makar is better than Bobby Orr. Yeah, he is. And this is crazy because Cal McCarr is like 26. Right. But he is already as good, if not a better player than Bobby Orr ever was. Right. [00:39:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:21] Speaker B: Even comparing generation and generation, like, people are talking about if he's the greatest player on the planet. People were a couple years ago. I think people still are right now. [00:39:30] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:39:31] Speaker B: He's gonna knock him off that list. I don't see a situation where you have a guy in the NHL currently that's already, like, better than him. [00:39:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:39:40] Speaker B: And somehow he knocks off the greatest goal scorer of all time. I don't care if you revolutionize the game. [00:39:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:39:45] Speaker B: Like, yeah, it just a little bit. [00:39:48] Speaker A: Of receive bias from us. But you know what? That's what we do. So we're here for. [00:39:53] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:39:54] Speaker A: We're young. We're the new faces of hockey. And we're going to be pioneering the new Mount Rushmore this game. But let's get in the Calder race. Still hot as ever. I know we talked about this a couple weeks ago, but since the four nations, the top five points leaders of the rookies leaderboard right now, Lane Hudson being number one, celebrating two, Mitchkov, three, Will Smith, four, Cutter Gautier, five. Since Four nations, all five of those players have 13 points. They're all on his hair right now. [00:40:30] Speaker B: That's insane because it's been what, two weeks, three weeks? Yeah, they all have 13 points. That's pretty sick. But yeah, they're taking over. [00:40:38] Speaker A: Yeah, they are. And it like this Calder race, like we said all year and even I said last year, like this is going to be a very, very good year for rookies. You know, it's not revolutionizing that I'm. [00:40:51] Speaker B: Saying that, but it's really heating up too, which is. Yeah, I thought it was going to be, I mean, out of the gate it was very competitive between the top three guys. But I mean, the last month it's been extremely competitive where every single guy has been fantastic. And that's not even including the goalie. That's on this list. That should be very high up on this list. Wolf's been insane. [00:41:14] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:41:15] Speaker B: Yeah. So this is one of those things. It's been a fantastic year for rookies. [00:41:19] Speaker A: No, it has. Lane Hudson, like you had said earlier, 52 points. He could. He's in the lead right now. Macklin's not far behind with 50. But Macklin does lead the rookie goal scorers of 21. Mitch Cobb's right behind him with 20. So by the time this comes out, that could change. But still they're neck and neck. Dustin Wolf is willing his team to a playoff spot. The Calgary Flames, who missed playoffs last year and picked seventh in the draft. I think he's already having better numbers than Markstrom was having and he is 24, 23, 24. I think. Yeah, I mean, he is. He's not getting talked about enough. And like we said before, he's a goalie. It's going to be tough, especially with just how. How many points all five of those guys are putting up. Yeah, it's going to be tough for him to crack, but I think if, if Calgary makes the playoffs, I think he has a very good chance. [00:42:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:15] Speaker A: Of winning that. That race or that, that trophy. But one thing people love to point out is that Mitchkov has less time on ice than Celebrini or Hudson. The two leaders. [00:42:29] Speaker B: Yep. [00:42:31] Speaker A: Yeah, you're right. He does have less time on ice. He averages 16 minutes and 15 seconds. Macklin averages 19 minutes, 48 seconds and Hudson averages 22 minutes, 20 seconds. Obviously Hudson being a defenseman who's also on the power play. Defenseman, just average more time on ice. Macklin's the best player on his team. He's averaging almost a full period. He's also on power play. Mitchkov is averaging 16 minutes. So realistically, 16 and 19 minutes average, that's three minutes. That's what, four or five shifts, extra shifts, which is a lot. But at the same time, it's like, well, maybe there's a reason he's not getting all the time on the ice. [00:43:17] Speaker B: I'm doing some quick math here just because I want to see this. So Macklin Celebrini has played an entire 25 minutes more than Matt Bay Mishkov has throughout this entire season. So with the injury, even though he's playing more per game, he's played 1106 minutes. Matt Vay Mitchkov has played through 66 games. It's like 1072. So really not that much of a difference. Yes, the time on ice and the utilization is less, but they have Macklin's. [00:43:58] Speaker A: Fault that he's better. [00:43:59] Speaker B: They have similar power play. [00:44:01] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:44:02] Speaker B: Points. Mac has four more power play points. Yeah, it's not really that much different at all. [00:44:10] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:44:11] Speaker B: When you look at it in the grand scheme of things, what's interesting is when you go to Lane Hudson, where he's averaging 22 minutes and 20 seconds a night, and he's also played 66 games, that's six minutes more per game. So that's a lot. [00:44:26] Speaker A: But defense always play more. Defensemen always have more time on ice. They are. There's three defensive lines instead of four offensive lines. You take longer shifts. You're not skating as much back and forth. Trust me. I can attest to that. You get more time on ice because you're not. You're not a center or a winger going back and forth like, it's just not the same. You're skating backwards. Yeah, it's just not the same. And I don't think you can really put that time on ice for Lane Hudson, like, to knock that player down. [00:44:57] Speaker B: Hudson, this is very nerdy and kind of stupid, but Lane Hudson has played almost 1500 minutes. He's played 1472 minutes. As opposed to Macklin celebrating has played 1100 and Matt Bay. Mitch Gavu's played just under 1100 minutes. [00:45:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:45:16] Speaker B: So it's like there's a big difference. You think about that. That's like, oh, gosh, what's 400 divided by 60? That's a lot more. That's a lot more time on ice. [00:45:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:45:28] Speaker B: Aggregate over the season. So it's just kind of. I don't think you could really compare that metric, though, because you're playing whatever the minutes you're allotted for a reason. Right. No coach, if you have some rookies. Just insane. Right. No coach is going to play you less because he doesn't like you. If you're 19, 20 years old and you're going to be the next best thing. [00:45:50] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:45:50] Speaker B: You're not going to be getting played less because the coach doesn't like you at the end of the day. Unless there's a serious problem and the coach needs to be fired, which I don't think is the case with Philly. [00:45:59] Speaker A: It's also Taurus, like, Tortorella is known to be a hard ass. [00:46:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:03] Speaker A: And if he is putting him out less, I mean, I just. I don't know. I think at the end of the day, it's like all three of these players and really all six of these players we're talking about are fantastic rookies. [00:46:14] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:46:16] Speaker A: But then it comes down to like, okay, well, who's got the most points? Lane Hudson. Okay. Who has the most goals? Celebrity for right now. [00:46:23] Speaker B: Yep. [00:46:24] Speaker A: Celebrity has less games played in his. In his season this year. So it's like, look at points per game. Like, there's so much that goes into it. It's like you can look at it from all different angles. You can look at. Yeah. Mitchkov doesn't play as many minutes and he still has, I think he's like four or five points behind Hudson right now. [00:46:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:45] Speaker A: Three points behind Celebrini. So. [00:46:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:46:48] Speaker A: I just don't think. If you want to start picking straws, we can pick straws, too. With celebrating. [00:46:54] Speaker B: Yes. [00:46:54] Speaker A: And we will. [00:46:55] Speaker B: You're absolutely splitting hairs, though. If you're trying to say, oh, well, Hudson, you know, Mishkov plays less per night. Yes. But he's played 10 more games than celebrating. [00:47:04] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:47:05] Speaker B: And he still has less points. [00:47:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:47:07] Speaker B: Like, it's. Yeah. [00:47:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:47:09] Speaker A: So if you want to split hairs, we can split hairs, but we're going to rank these rookies. We're gonna give our top five for this Calder, obviously, one being the Calder winner at this point in the season and then five being number five. [00:47:23] Speaker C: Yep. [00:47:25] Speaker A: So, Alan, if you want to go ahead, we'll. We'll do. We can go back and forth and go one and one. [00:47:30] Speaker B: Yep. [00:47:30] Speaker A: We'll give a quick blurb on why we think that. [00:47:33] Speaker B: Are we starting with five or we start in one? [00:47:35] Speaker A: Let's start with five. [00:47:36] Speaker B: All right. [00:47:37] Speaker A: I think five Will be fun because we can kind of build it up for you guys. Listening. [00:47:41] Speaker B: I want to start off My number five pick is Will Smith. If the season started 30 games ago, he'd probably be my number one pick. He's been that good. Yeah. But the season did not start 30 games ago. Started, you know, 67 games ago. 68 games ago. But look up his stats here real quick. [00:48:08] Speaker A: My number five is also Will Smith. Yeah. In the last 18 games he's had 18 points. I think before Saturday he had had 18 points in 18 games. Yeah. Obviously since Four nations, you know, I. [00:48:21] Speaker B: Think he had assist Saturday too, right? Or no, he didn't. Macklin scored. [00:48:25] Speaker A: Oh yeah. He didn't get assist on that. Okay. [00:48:28] Speaker B: Points last 19 games. [00:48:30] Speaker A: I don't even know how many multiple point games he's had. But yes, like his first half of the season was rough. Rough start and unfortunately that's not. He's not going to win the Calder. That's why he's five. Yeah. You can't expect, you can't put him ahead just because he's had a great second half of the season when all these guys have had a fantastic rest of the season. But he is notable number five honorable. [00:48:53] Speaker B: Mention to Cutter Gauchier. [00:48:56] Speaker C: Yes. [00:48:57] Speaker B: Didn't make my list. But of all the guys that are not on a playoff team that are really in the conversation, he's the only one with a positive plus minus. Logan Stay Coven is a plus six. [00:49:11] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:49:11] Speaker B: But he's been on two very, very, very good hockey teams. Cutter Gauche is on the Anaheim Ducks and they are not fantastic this year. They're, I think eight points out of a playoff spot right now. They're kind of middling. And he's got 34 points, 67 games. He's plus three. [00:49:27] Speaker C: Okay. [00:49:27] Speaker B: So that is, I mean, he's had a great year. I haven't watched a whole lot. He's also not. He's playing the least at any of these guys. Played like 14 minutes a game on a bad team and he's still playing well. So honorable mention to him, but he's not on my list. [00:49:41] Speaker C: No. [00:49:42] Speaker B: Will Smith five. Number four for me is Matt Bay Mitchkov. Who's your four? [00:49:48] Speaker A: I also have Matthew Mitch cover four. Yeah, sounds wild. But cheer us out. Matthew Mitchkov at 4. Frankly, he's just, he's not in the points. [00:49:57] Speaker B: It's. [00:49:57] Speaker A: He's got to score more. [00:49:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:49:58] Speaker A: He's not playing enough. [00:49:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:00] Speaker A: But again with this rookie class and if you were to tell me like, yeah, Matthew Mitchkov is your four. At the beginning of the season, I'd be like, what? That's what happened. [00:50:08] Speaker B: That's the nuts thing because it's not a knock on Matt Van Mitchkov at all. He's been fantastic when he, when he has been playing. He's got four, I think three or four ot winning goals. Yeah, he's got, he's got three ot game winners. You know, he's got 20 goals as a rookie in 66 games, 47 points. He's fantastic. He's been great. I think it's just the, the caliber of players that are ahead of him. [00:50:32] Speaker C: Yes. [00:50:33] Speaker B: Is insane. You have an insane rookie class. I think that's really, that's really where it's at. My third is Dustin Wolf. I have him at third. Let me pull up his stats here real quick. [00:50:45] Speaker A: So my third is Lane Hudson. [00:50:47] Speaker B: Your third is Lane. [00:50:48] Speaker A: And it's tough because it's like how do you put the points leader in third? Yep. However comma, he has, from what I checked last, he has like only 19 primary assists. He's got like 40 total assists. And yes to cherry pick that and cherry pick the stat and say he only has 19 primary assists. Still has assists. But Celebrini, who has I think only 20 something assists, has like 20 primary assists. And it's tough. Like again, he's a defender, he's a defenseman putting up these stats. Nothing. There's no knock on him. Like he would win. He would win last year, frankly. [00:51:29] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:51:30] Speaker A: I think any of these guys would frankly win against Conard last year, I think. But guess what? It's not last year. [00:51:36] Speaker B: I think that's solely due to. Because the hype around Connor McDonald's kind of. [00:51:41] Speaker A: Connor McDonald. [00:51:43] Speaker B: Clip that. Chat clip that. Yeah. I think you compare it like the, the hype that was around Connor Bedard. Yeah, Bedard. There we go. Was so. There was so much hype built around him and he was. He had a great rookie season. But you take in Lane Hudson who didn't have anywhere near as much hype built around him and he's putting together a spectacular rookie season. [00:52:10] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:52:10] Speaker B: Yeah. That's just where I'm at. The reason I have wolf at three is kind of stupid. And I'm acknowledging that he's 23. [00:52:19] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:52:20] Speaker B: Yes. He's a goalie. And goalies have a different kind of progression timeline than. Than forwards do. Like you expect the goalies prime to be a little bit later into their career. [00:52:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:52:29] Speaker B: Connor Hellebuck's what, 33, 34. [00:52:33] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:52:33] Speaker B: And he's playing the best hockey he's ever played. Yeah. And that's kind of. That's kind of just how it goes. But he's 23. He's going up against. There's. There's a guy who's five years younger than him in this race. He's been great this season. He's putting up very solid starting goalie numbers. But he's also played in two prior seasons. He had 17 games played last year and he played given the one game, but in 22, 23. This might be the salty Sharks fan in me, but William Eklund was not on the. Wasn't able to win the. The Calder last year because he had played more than eight games two years in a row. Yeah. Which I find. Yeah. Something like that. Some stupid statistic that. That made him ineligible for the Rookie of the Year race. Which I don't know if it doesn't apply to goalies or it's just the amount of games started in each season, but I think it just really for me comes down to. Comes down to the age and the games played. [00:53:30] Speaker A: That's fair. [00:53:31] Speaker B: He's gonna be one of, if not the best goalies in the NHL in the future. And he's putting up fantastic stats this season. He's 22 wins in 40 games played, three shutouts, 254 goals against average and.914 save percentage. And he is willing his team to the playoffs. I think I saw some stat about how they're. The Calgary Flames are like the worst offensive team in the NHL. [00:53:56] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:53:56] Speaker B: In like every metric. And somehow they're sitting two points out of a playoff spot. [00:54:01] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:54:02] Speaker B: That's nuts. Yeah. So I don't think. I'm not trying to say that to knock on Dustin Wolf. [00:54:07] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:54:08] Speaker A: Well, the Asian is definitely a fair argument because it's like. Yeah, you've got Macklin, who's a true 18 year old. [00:54:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:13] Speaker A: That guy just can now buy a lottery ticket. [00:54:17] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:54:18] Speaker A: I don't even know if in Santos. [00:54:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:19] Speaker A: You can lottery ticket at 18. Like that's the only thing everyone else. Wayne Hudson on this list, he's 21. Dustin's 23, which, I mean, playing defense as an 18 year old would be extremely difficult. [00:54:33] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:54:33] Speaker A: It takes more time. I get that. But yeah, like my reasoning for Hudson at three and Wolf at two, taking the age out of it, it's more of just like you had said, that playoff spot. He's willing them into that playoff spot. He is like basically just putting this team on his back. [00:54:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:54] Speaker A: Saying that the Flames have a horrible, horrible offense. I know Huberto's playing pretty well, but. Yeah. Just to be able to will your team like that. And I feel like that just deserves a mitt, too. I'm a little biased. Played with the kid. The kid. But at the same time, NHL player. [00:55:14] Speaker B: The kid. [00:55:16] Speaker A: Well, he's younger than me, so he's a kid. [00:55:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:18] Speaker A: Always. No, but yeah. I mean, just to be willing your team like that and like Lane Hudson, I'm just not sold on the fact that he's a great, great player. But my tiff with defenseman is like, you got to play defense. [00:55:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:35] Speaker A: And I don't see much defense out of him. Cale McCarr, he's, you know, he's scoring 30 goals, but he plays fantastic defense. [00:55:42] Speaker B: Yep. [00:55:42] Speaker A: You know, it could be better, but. [00:55:44] Speaker B: You saw the clip of Brandon Montour torching him for the fastest OT goal in history. [00:55:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:51] Speaker B: It's not like that's like Connor McDavid. No. Brandon Montour, that's defenseman. [00:55:55] Speaker A: On defenseman assault right there. [00:55:57] Speaker B: Defensive defense, but on offensive defense. But assault. But I just found that hilarious. [00:56:01] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:56:01] Speaker A: So it's like, it's like if you are, like, if you're saying, oh, defense is so much harder to play. Well, why doesn't he play defense? Like, okay, he's a fourth forward and, you know, you need that. You need an offensive defenseman. I'm not saying that I wouldn't love him to be on the Sharks. [00:56:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:56:19] Speaker A: You know, but we'd be talking a. [00:56:21] Speaker B: Whole lot differently on the Sharks. [00:56:23] Speaker A: And yes, we're very, very biased. [00:56:25] Speaker B: Dustin Wolf would be by number one by a clear mile fuse. If I was a Calgary Flames fan. Yeah. [00:56:32] Speaker A: And that's the thing. Like every single one of these players, if you're a fan of that team. [00:56:36] Speaker B: They'Re going to be your next. Yeah. [00:56:37] Speaker A: And I totally get that. [00:56:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:56:39] Speaker A: So your number two is Lane Hudson. [00:56:41] Speaker B: The other thing, we have Mitchkov at 4. [00:56:43] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:56:44] Speaker B: I have watched one game of Mitch Gov playing. [00:56:46] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:56:46] Speaker B: Actually two. I remember because we were at Buffalo Wild Wings with our friend Chase. Shout out Chase. He is a. He is a Flyers fan and we watched him score his first NHL go. I think it was first two NHL goals. Yeah. We don't watch a lot of him play. [00:57:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:57:03] Speaker B: So it kind of makes it a little bit more difficult for us to gauge. [00:57:05] Speaker A: What's funny is that the NHL has an east coast, but east coast bias. [00:57:09] Speaker B: Yes. Because absolutely. [00:57:10] Speaker A: Watching all the hockey, we have a west coast bias because we're on the west side and we see all the, those prime time games on our, on our schedule. So if you want to shame us for that. It's just like the east coast bias in the NHL too. [00:57:24] Speaker B: But. [00:57:25] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:57:25] Speaker A: So number two, Lane Hudson. [00:57:27] Speaker B: Number two is Lane Hudson. I was gonna make a joke and say it was Zach Bullduke, but. Yeah. And I'm. I'm assuming I know who your number two is. Dustin Wolf. [00:57:39] Speaker A: Dustin Wolf. [00:57:40] Speaker B: Yeah. My reasoning for Lane Hudson, I do think it is absolutely bananas that he has 48 assists and 66 games played. You can. There's a lot of knocks on it. He has the most power play points out of any rookie. He has a whole lot of secondary assists. We were talking about that the other day. Celebrini and Hudson have the same amount of primary assists and lane Hudson has 19 more assists. [00:58:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:58:15] Speaker B: So it's like that's one of those things where it's like he's getting a lot of kind of merchant points, but the fact that he has 48 assists and 66 games plays, it's just bonkers as, as a 21 year old defenseman. [00:58:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:58:28] Speaker B: I don't think you can really overlook that. [00:58:31] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:58:33] Speaker B: And I do think Montreal would be in the basement, bottom of the league if they didn't have him. [00:58:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:58:42] Speaker B: What the hell else is their shining spot, I guess. Cole Caufield has been great this year. He has 33 goals now, but it's just he's been so good for them that I think I have to put them at. I have to put Lane Hudson at my two. Yeah, that's fair. [00:58:57] Speaker A: Our number one shocker celebrating. [00:59:00] Speaker B: Big shock here. [00:59:01] Speaker A: Let's get into it. The glazing is going to start. [00:59:03] Speaker B: So first of all, first of all, first of all, 50 points, 56 games played. Right. Hudson has 52 and 66. [00:59:10] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:59:11] Speaker B: That alone per game ratio alone is bananas. [00:59:15] Speaker A: He's also leading in goals right now by one, but he's still leading in goals. He's 18. [00:59:22] Speaker B: He's pacing 73 points in a full season, which I think is the same as what Connor Bedard was putting up last season. It might be a little bit higher. [00:59:32] Speaker A: Yeah, well, they both were injured. Yeah, they're both injured around the same amount of time. [00:59:37] Speaker B: He broke his jaw. Yep. [00:59:42] Speaker A: Getting hit. Yeah. [00:59:43] Speaker B: Broke his jaw. He was doing something. [00:59:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:59:46] Speaker B: Nobody knows what. [00:59:47] Speaker A: No one knows what. A little bit of lockjaw. [00:59:50] Speaker B: But yeah, it's just he's been so insane watching him play every night. He's got. So he's winning 47.7% of his face offs. [00:59:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:59:59] Speaker A: As an 18 year old. [01:00:00] Speaker B: As an 18 year old he's got the highest face off percentage out of any rookie. At least that's on this list. That's taken more than. Let's see, let's take more than 30 face offs. Right. Jackson Blake has slightly higher and he's taken 29 face offs and then. [01:00:17] Speaker A: Yeah, well celebrity has 800 face offs. [01:00:20] Speaker B: 841. Yeah, he's playing. The other thing about celebrity, he's playing against every single team's first line. Yeah, he's playing against the Sidney Crosby is playing against the Connor McDavid's and he's winning face offs against them. That alone is a nut stat because that's like one of those things that players tend to develop the older they get because they learned how to, how to cheat a little bit. They learned how to kind of just change things around. [01:00:46] Speaker A: Yeah, change it around. And he's also playing on the worst team in the league. Yes, he's playing on the worst team eliminated from playoffs. He's playing on the first line. [01:00:56] Speaker B: Yep. [01:00:56] Speaker A: And yeah, maybe that's because they're so bad that he's able to play on the first line. I get that. But he's still putting up almost a point per game as an 18 year old on the worst team in the league. He's got, I will say like for him he has some talent around him and has had talent around him. You know he's got Tyler to Foley on his line half the time, Will Smith on his line, Fabian Zetterland at times, Mikhail Granlin at times. He had on his line playing power play too. Like the Sharks. Yeah, they are bad. They're just young. [01:01:28] Speaker B: Yep. [01:01:28] Speaker A: They don't have a lack of skill. I think for like Bedard's case, like he doesn't really have a whole lot around him to help him shine. Celebrity does. But yeah, I mean I think ultimately that point per game stat being 18 years old. [01:01:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:01:42] Speaker A: Playing a center and also Celebrini on this list is the only 200 foot place he is. Fantastic. Red line to red line. [01:01:51] Speaker B: So he has the third most blocks out of any rookie block shots. He has 45 block shots and 50 games played. [01:01:58] Speaker A: Who's number one? [01:01:59] Speaker B: Yeah, take a guess. [01:02:00] Speaker A: Hudson. [01:02:01] Speaker B: It's Lane Hudson. He has 96 block shots. Right. But he's playing defense. Yeah, it's. That's in the role of the game. And he's played 66 something games. Yeah, 66. I think it's just insane. The only Other guy he's behind is Drew Helison who is also a defenseman and he's got nine less block shots than him. But you're talking about a forward. [01:02:25] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:02:26] Speaker B: Who as an 18 year old you're not expecting a forward to block shots. And he's blocking almost a shot a game which is just. I find that insane. [01:02:35] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:02:35] Speaker A: And again, this is the bias to where we've watched this kid play every night. [01:02:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:02:41] Speaker A: His hockey sense is out of this world as an 18 year old. [01:02:44] Speaker B: Yep. [01:02:45] Speaker A: He sees the game better than Bedard, I think maybe pretty similar, but still like he's got. He just has an insane sense of where. Knowing where to be in the NHL. [01:02:56] Speaker B: Yep. [01:02:57] Speaker A: Playing in the NHL through. [01:02:58] Speaker B: I think it was through the first 25 games played, he had like the second most controlled zone entries out of anybody. [01:03:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:03:06] Speaker B: That's including Connor McDavid. I think Connor McDavid was number three and Nathan McKinnon was number one. [01:03:12] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:03:12] Speaker B: Right. You're talking about an 18 year old who's up there with the best of the best of the best. Right. And at one of the most important things for a skilled forward to be able to do is control the puck through the neutral zone. It's insane what he is doing. And you, you watch him play and you guess he's like a fourth or fifth year guy. [01:03:33] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:03:33] Speaker B: But no, he's 18 goddamn years old. [01:03:36] Speaker A: The guy, he didn't play perfect. Like he didn't play professional hockey to have like he played with Lane Hudson actually at bu, won the Hobie Baker and he. Yeah. He just sees the game like no one I've really seen in a while. [01:03:50] Speaker B: This is another thing to point out here. Three, four of the top five point scores for rookies came out of college hockey, which is really interesting because it really did not used to be that way is if you wanted to be anybody in the NHL, you go play juniors in Canada. [01:04:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:04:09] Speaker B: Right. But four out of the top five guys, Hudson celebrating Smith and Go Che all played college hockey in Boston too. [01:04:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:04:19] Speaker B: I just find that insane. [01:04:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:04:22] Speaker B: You have guys. Logan Stankhoven played juniors in Canada. Matt VAY Mitchkov obviously played in Russia. Dustin Wolf played juniors in Canada. [01:04:29] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:04:30] Speaker B: But it's just insane how much that kind of development is growing going the college route. Obviously you see more guys, Macklin celebrating Canadian national. Right. [01:04:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:04:42] Speaker B: But he chose to play juniors in the US so he could play college hockey and it seems like it's done wonders for him. [01:04:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:04:50] Speaker B: And every other guy on this list. It seems like yeah. Played college hockey at some point. And they're younger guys. It's not like they're coming in super experienced. They've played four full seasons. [01:05:00] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:05:00] Speaker B: Hudson played two, Gauchier played three. That's the most. Will Smith played two. Or no one Will Smith played one season. It's just insane. Yeah, no, it is. [01:05:11] Speaker A: And even like, I mean, the Hobie Baker race was very similar to this. [01:05:16] Speaker B: It was nuts. It's the same players. [01:05:18] Speaker A: It really is the same celebrity. And Cutter Gaultier. [01:05:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:05:22] Speaker A: We're all on that Hobie Baker watch list. But yeah. I mean, ultimately, to have a player like Matthew Mitchkov at 4 is nuts. Is nuts that he's there like. And that's our ranking. I'm sure if you're a Flyers fan, he's one for you. [01:05:37] Speaker B: Cutter Gauche is off of this list. [01:05:40] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:05:40] Speaker B: That's insane. [01:05:41] Speaker A: And even if you are a Flyers fan and you have Matthew Mitch Kava one, maybe you have celebrity at four, which is insane. Maybe you have Lane Hudson at four, which is insane. Maybe you have Dustin Wolfe at four, which is insane. [01:05:51] Speaker B: Might be. Might not be on people's lists. [01:05:54] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:05:54] Speaker B: Which is insane. What he's doing. [01:05:56] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:05:56] Speaker A: Just because of. Not any knock to him or anything like that. It's just because of how talented this rookie class is. [01:06:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:06:03] Speaker A: And I'm really excited to kind of see them develop and play against each other. There's going to be rivalries between all these players. [01:06:11] Speaker B: You know, it's going to be really interesting about this year is we kind of saw this when McDavid and Auston Matthews broke into the league where the next few years, the first round or the first overall picks were kind of disappointing. [01:06:27] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:06:28] Speaker B: Because they didn't do. They didn't score 40 goals like Matthews did. They didn't put up over a point per game like McDavid did. It was like just under a point per game. So I'm kind of curious to see what you know. [01:06:40] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:06:40] Speaker B: Who knows? Gavin McKenna gets drafted first overall, he has a rough rookie year and people start calling him a bust. I remember people were calling Jack use bust. [01:06:47] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:06:47] Speaker B: Because he didn't break onto the scene scoring a point per game. [01:06:50] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:06:50] Speaker A: Which that guy needs to use steroids because he's. [01:06:52] Speaker B: Guy needs steroids. [01:06:54] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:06:55] Speaker B: Nobody wants to see Jack Hughes injured. [01:06:57] Speaker A: No. [01:06:58] Speaker B: Either way, it's just. It's going to be interesting the next few years. Like especially the. The first time a defenseman's draft. Who knows next year as Matthew Schaefer, he. If he comes in and he's not, you know, the best defenseman in the world or people are going to be like, oh, well, that guy sucks. You know, it's going to be really interesting. [01:07:14] Speaker A: I mean, it really sets the table for next year. Like, who? I don't think if, if, if Schaefer gets drafted first overall. I don't think he plays next year just because he's a defenseman. [01:07:26] Speaker B: I can see that. [01:07:26] Speaker A: Tougher. Yeah. I see him getting at least another year of development, but I mean, whoever's got to do what I'll. Which I guess like Ivan Demidov could be that conversation. [01:07:41] Speaker B: I love how that guy, I feel like at points has been forgotten about. He's the best prospect that's not currently playing in the NHL. [01:07:48] Speaker A: And Cole du. Cole Iceman's nasty college hockey right now. [01:07:51] Speaker B: Cole Hudson is nasty too. [01:07:53] Speaker A: Hudson. Yeah. So I think, I think we're in good hands next year. [01:07:57] Speaker B: We are. It's just who the hell, like the first overall pick is going to be? Like, that guy sucks because he's not, you know, Lane Hudson or Macklin Celebrini. [01:08:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:08:06] Speaker B: The last two first overall picks, they've been hovering a little bit under point per game pace as 18 year olds, which is nuts. And we're talking about Bedard like he's a nobody now. Yeah, yeah. It's still. [01:08:19] Speaker A: She's not like nasty. He's putting up fantastic numbers as a sophomore on a shitty Chicago team. Terrible Chicago, no talent around him. [01:08:26] Speaker B: That's the one thing that kind of sets celebrating apart. I saw a picture that was like the tale of two rebuilds and it's Bedard sitting there like this. Right. Like you just saw a ghost or something. [01:08:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:08:38] Speaker B: And Macklin celebrating Will Smith having a sleepover. [01:08:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:08:42] Speaker B: It's like the tale of two rebuilds is crazy. But yeah, we're talking about Bedard like he's nobody. He's still. [01:08:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:08:49] Speaker B: It is arguably, I'm going to say arguably the best first overall pick of the last two years, which is a soft take, but yeah, it's within. [01:08:59] Speaker A: I mean, since Nasty. [01:09:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:09:01] Speaker A: The best first overall pick. [01:09:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:09:03] Speaker A: Celebrating could be there soon. But from 2023 to 2020. Yeah, he's the best first overall pick, which. That is a very middle of the road take because. [01:09:14] Speaker B: Middle of the road. He's saying, Connor Bedard's better than your Islaf Kovsky. Whoa. [01:09:20] Speaker A: And Lexi Lafreniere. [01:09:21] Speaker B: Whoa. [01:09:21] Speaker A: Well, you could. [01:09:22] Speaker B: Whoa. [01:09:23] Speaker A: 2019. Was that Jack Hughes? [01:09:24] Speaker B: That was Jack Hughes. He's been better in his first two seasons. [01:09:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:09:29] Speaker B: Jack Hughes is still gross, right? Yeah, that guy. Did we ever talk about the injury? I think we did last. [01:09:35] Speaker A: Yeah, we did. [01:09:35] Speaker B: Yeah. That sucks. He came out with this whole apology or not apology, but. Yeah. [01:09:40] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:09:41] Speaker B: Sad for Jack, but. [01:09:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:09:43] Speaker B: Either way, it's going to be interesting to see what the next few seasons for rookies look like. I think we should do a little rookie ranking or prospect ranking. [01:09:54] Speaker A: Okay. [01:09:55] Speaker B: Before the draft at some point. Not rookie ranking, by the way. [01:10:01] Speaker A: Yeah. We'll do more stuff for, like, prospects and stuff and even, like, next year. Next year's rookies. Like Demidov. [01:10:08] Speaker B: That's gonna be insane. I think he's gonna step in and be gross. Like, you know, people were saying that about Matt Van Mishkov. I think Demidov's better than Mishkov, which is crazy. [01:10:17] Speaker A: Canadians are set, dude. [01:10:19] Speaker B: They're. Dude, they're gonna be unreal for years. They. Yeah, they really just need Sam. Montebo ain't good enough for you. Come on, bro. They have Jacob Fowler coming up through B.C. [01:10:32] Speaker A: Okay. [01:10:32] Speaker B: He's nasty. Yeah. I think he's right. I remember he's like second or third in college. Say percentage right now is. And it's through. He's played, I think, the second most games. There's one guy. I forget what team it is. We need to look through college stats more. But there's goalies, like, going the fuck off in college right now, especially like. [01:10:52] Speaker A: Off season or I mean, even. We'll have frozen four soon, so we can next week if there's maybe not a whole lot of news. We could do some college hockey stuff. That's always fun. [01:11:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:11:04] Speaker A: Everyone, thank you for listening to this episode. Hit the subscribe button. Follow us. Follow us on Instagram. Do all that fun stuff. Big shout out to Alex Muinsky. You know who you are. He donated to us. Sent a great donation to us. We love it. It helps support the show. We're here in this fancy studio taking our time doing this stuff. So if you want to donate the links down below, but you don't have to. It's just a nice thing to do. And you're gonna get a shout out on the episode if you do. Just like moose did. 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[01:12:17] Speaker A: So, all right, everyone, you guys have a great rest of your week, and we'll see you guys next week. [01:12:22] Speaker B: Peace.