Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign.
[00:00:10] Speaker B: Welcome back, everybody, to the good old hockey podcast. This is episode number 57. We just started the month of February. Super excited. We got some hot, hot trades going on and it's only going to get hotter because the trade deadline is coming up in about a month or so.
I, Alan, speaking of which, took work off that day, so we're gonna do a live stream that day, that morning to just ring in the trade deadline and any, like, last minute news that we can do. We'll just be talking about hockey that Friday morning. We'll keep promoting it, but first things first. How was your weekend?
[00:00:48] Speaker A: It was pretty good. No complaints. Didn't really do too much. Just hung out with my girlfriend. It was pretty low key.
[00:00:54] Speaker B: Nice. Hell, yeah. On. On Friday, I had a banger of a deal. So I didn't know what to eat that night. Right. And I remembered that I got something in the mail and it's a Flying Pie coupon. For those of you that don't know, Flying Pie is a great pizza spot here where we live in Boise.
And I looked at it, it said expires 131 25. And Friday was the 31st of January. So I was like, well, I know what I'm eating tonight. So I got $10 off of a large pizza and solid. I had myself a night. It was 15 bucks, which the pizzas are pretty pricey there, but it was a big pizza and I had it for lunch the next two days left over. So that was the highlight of my weekend. Honestly, what I do Friday. Oh, went to karaoke Friday. Forgot to.
[00:01:42] Speaker A: Yeah, I was gonna say talk to our friend Asana's mom because she came into the.
[00:01:49] Speaker B: Oh, she did work.
[00:01:50] Speaker A: Yeah, we're talking. She has this adorable, like, healer. Yeah, I think it's a blue Healer. Is his name Chunk?
[00:02:00] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:00] Speaker A: Adorable dog hanging out, bullshitting about dogs. Because obviously I have the butt, I have the puppy now.
[00:02:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:06] Speaker A: She was like, yeah.
I was talking to Athana and they wanted me to go out and. And sing karaoke. I've been to that place all the time and I wasn't a big fan of it. No. I was like, you see, you weren't a fan because I wasn't there to hang out with you the entire time. Like that one time we went to Amsterdam. True. Shout out to Thona's mom, Danielle, you're awesome.
[00:02:28] Speaker B: Yeah, she is.
[00:02:29] Speaker A: Although she didn't buy a car from me, which was kind of messed up.
[00:02:31] Speaker B: But yeah, that was messed up.
Can't believe that. But yeah, that was my weekend yeah, didn't do a whole lot. Played a hot. Actually, no. We didn't even play a beer league game last week. Our game got canceled. We're not even going to talk about it. We're gonna move on.
[00:02:48] Speaker A: Got canceled? Yeah.
[00:02:50] Speaker B: Got canceled? Yeah. Yeah, we canceled it mid game.
[00:02:54] Speaker A: We walked off the ice.
[00:02:55] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, pretty much. We have a new, I guess, segment. We can call it, but we have a phone number. And I'll read it off in a second. But basically the premise of this phone number is you call, you leave your name. You leave the name of this podcast if you're calling in for it. Good old hockey podcast. And you're gonna leave a voicemail and we're gonna listen to it, we're gonna react to it for a couple minutes afterwards. We got one in this week. We hope to get some more next week. The number is. If you have a pen down, you're listening. Stop what you're doing, grab a pen, grab a piece of paper. 2, 0. Or actually just take your phone out. Phone number out. 208-994-4656. I'll put it in the description as well. But you call that number, leave your name, leave the podcast you're calling in for. So that's this one. Go to Hockey Podcast. You leave your message and we will react to it. So we're going to do that right now. And the first caller we have is aj so here we go. It's a minute long. Here we go. Let me know if you can hear it.
[00:04:00] Speaker C: I just want to say I think Alan Mobile has some of the worst takes I've ever heard in my entire life.
The abs in better. Better spot after getting rid of Ratman. No, not a chance. First off, Rentman even said if he had known, he would have been traded, he would have taken a pay cut to stay with the ass.
Second off, you're comp. You're comparing Martin Nature to Miko Landon. Now, I am a Martin Naches fanboy, but Nico Rantman has been a top five player in the NHL for the past three, four years.
The Canes are definitely in better position after this and will also be in a position to resign him.
And the Canes will get a cup this year. Mark my words. Allan, you suck.
[00:04:59] Speaker B: Thank you. All right, first off, initial thoughts. Initial thoughts. Go ahead.
[00:05:03] Speaker A: I got some. I got some initial thoughts for this guy. Martin H's fanboy.
That's a little suck. You have a girlfriend, bro. I know. I know AJ personally. You have a girlfriend, bro, and you're a fanboy. Of a man who doesn't even know you exist. Kane's aren't gonna wake up this year. Their starting goal, I can't get. You can't stay in or can't stay healthy, right? Yeah, I think that's gonna happen. Freddie Anderson's not net. They're not winning the Cup. I don't care how many goals they score.
[00:05:31] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:31] Speaker A: Number three, Miko Rantnan might be a top five player in the NHL. Right.
The skill gap between him and Martin Naches is this. It's not like peewee hockey. And you're talking about the best player in peewee hockey versus the worst.
These guys are all sick.
[00:05:52] Speaker B: Yeah. But I, I think also what adds to the Avalanches.
Who's the other player they got in that trade?
[00:06:00] Speaker A: Taylor hall went to the Canes.
[00:06:03] Speaker B: No, no.
[00:06:04] Speaker A: Who did?
[00:06:04] Speaker B: The Avalanche.
Yes. Okay. That was the point where it's like, yes, you're getting rid of your big star. Miko Ran incorrect. But you're getting Jack Jury, who's a good roster player, and Martin Nature, who's a great, fantastic hockey player. That's where I think that the abs are in a better spot because you can't have all these super. They have. They already have. They would have three superstars, Makar, Ranin and McKinnon, if that were the case. You can't do that in today's NHL with the way these players are getting paid. You can't do that. So you have to figure it out. And I think they figured it out. And for the Hurricanes, they absolutely have to re sign Ranton for this trade to even be remotely work out for them. And we saw what happened with Jake Gensa last year. You add him, he walks.
So I don't know. I mean, I don't. I haven't heard too much. The Rantman's for sure gonna stay in Carolina. He has a buddy in Sebastian Ajo. So I think his chances are a little higher than Gensels were. But you got to lock them down until you can really, as a Carolina fan, boast that he also a good deal.
[00:07:16] Speaker A: He said he would have taken a cap cut. First of all, what the b. What the. The media idea was is that he said he, he, he like said he did take a cap cut at what he was saying he wanted to sign for. Right. They offered him eleven and a half million dollars, something like that, and he didn't sign for that. The only reason that eleven and a half million dollars is a major cap cut is because of the dry saddle year deal. Pardon Me, I can't speak right now. I'm just mad. I got name dropped on on the Internet by a guy who said he's a Martin Naches fanboy. Screw that guy. I'm gonna tell him at work tomorrow.
[00:07:59] Speaker B: You should.
But, yeah. Call in that phone number. I'll read it again. If you want your message heard, we'll react to it. The number is 208-994-4656. Call any time of the week, as long as it's before Monday.
Like today, I guess, since we're recording, if it comes out Wednesday, as long as you call in before Monday, we'll react to it. We'll have it read on the podcast. Keep it clean. Just be aware that this is on the Internet forever for life. So you can cuss all you want, but just be smart about your word choices, because if you say something stupid, we will rip you apart.
Now got that out of the way.
All right.
[00:08:42] Speaker A: We'Re gonna be talking as a viewer.
[00:08:45] Speaker B: Get out of here. So, yeah, a lot of trades happened this week. We'll get to those a little bit later. But I've got a couple points I want to talk about first.
First thing is this is a message for Gary Bettman and something that came to my head. I texted Alan and I was like, you know, this is a good conversation. I feel like we could bring it up. So, Mr. Bettman, the all Star Game, as we know, as we said last week, the All Star Game is just boring.
Now. How do you make that better? Make people care? I think this Four nations is going to be awesome, but it's not exactly an All Star Game. There's plenty of other things. Like we had said, some of these All Stars that are being named are not really All Stars, but I think it would be cool. Take a page of the NBA's playbook and introduce the Rising Stars game. So what that would be is either it's, you know how they do those three on threes. Don't they do, like one period each? They do like period. One is Pacific versus Central, so on, so forth. So if you're doing three periods of that, maybe one period before that, you do this Rising Stars game now. Or you could do it on Skills Comp Night if you, you know, don't have too much time to fill it up. Maybe do it before the Skills comp.
I don't know. Somewhere in there, I think a Rising Star game would be cool. It'd basically be two teams, three on three, east versus west, and have only first and second year players on those teams. So as of right now, what that would look like would be Lane Hudson, Macklin Celebrini.
Well, actually, I guess let's start on the west side. So you'd have Connor Bedard, Macklin Celebrini, Dustin Wolf and net. And I'm trying to think of a Brock Faber, we'll put on D for that three. On the east you got Lane Hudson at D, you got Matthew Michikov and there's like plenty of teams like players that could be named. I'm just thinking off top of my head, but if you had that a full team of first and second year players doing this Rising Star challenge, just to see these rookies like, you know, be able to be out there and you know, they're not playing against super high NHL talent, they're playing at their own level, I think would be awesome. And just those matchups would be super cool. You don't even have to do east versus West. You could just do like a captaincy thing where, I don't know, you have two veterans coach this team or something. Sidney Crosby and Cindy Crosby and Nathan McKinnon are captains and they pick these group of rising star kids. I don't know, I think it'd be cool and make a good competition or at least just another spectacle of the All Star Game to just get changed because we see the same thing every year and that gets boring. So Gary, if you're listening to us, implement that, just try it. Trust us.
[00:11:33] Speaker A: I think that'd be a cool idea.
Before we get off the Brock Nelson topic, I want to apologize to Brock Nelson if he's watching this podcast. I re looked. It was like maybe a day after we filmed last week. Yeah, recorded, I should say. I re looked back at the All Star roster from last year. Boone Jenner is much worse than Brock Nelson. And I'm sorry for calling out Brock Nelson, but Boone Jenner and Cam Talbot were All Stars last year. Nobody wants to watch that. Yeah, right. Yeah, get the young kids out there, get them playing against each other. Yeah, I feel like that is much more of an entertaining thing. Like you don't even necessarily have to make them all stars if you're still gonna have like.
[00:12:22] Speaker B: No, they're separate.
[00:12:25] Speaker A: Exactly. Just have it. Have them be their own thing. Like I, I like the idea, what you said before, like the skills comp or during. Yeah, I think it'd be way more entertaining.
[00:12:34] Speaker B: Yeah, just a quick game of 3 on 3 hockey with these young kids doing their stuff. I think the matchups would be Just crazy. And being able to see kind of those play. That's the future. Like that. Those names I just named are going to be what the All Star Game is going to be in 10, 10 years.
And I say like, first and second year just because you kind of could have more players to pick from with, like, Bedard and Celebrity playing together. Yeah. I don't know. I just think it'd be cool. And NHL, you should consider it. Listen to the fans because we're the ones that pay your bills. Yep. But. Yeah. Anything else on that? Oh, actually, one thing I wanted to say about the All Star Game was I think they need to get away from this whole. Oh, every team gets a player. Every team gets an All Star. Like last year, the Sharks had no business. And who'd they send? Hurdle, Was it.
[00:13:27] Speaker A: No, I think it was.
[00:13:30] Speaker B: I don't even think it was. I thought he was hurt. I think it was someone else. Wasn't it, Grant? No, I didn't remember.
[00:13:37] Speaker A: I don't. I didn't watch the All Star Game last year. What the. What the hell is the point of watching the All Star Game if Boone Jenner is going to be a part of it? I'm sorry. That guy was good for like half a season.
[00:13:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:13:48] Speaker A: And it was like five years ago.
[00:13:50] Speaker B: That's the thing. Don't do this. This is competitive sports. Don't do this. Participation. Like, don't. I know that you're supposed to have, you know, makes everyone tune in because they want to root for their player. Sure, they can be on the bench, but, like, it leaves off people. Like, I mean, I don't even think Matthew Chuck got selected last year because Sam Reinhardt was on fire, which, yep, you know, deservedly so.
And like, even Barkov got left off on the Panthers. Like, I'm just trying to think of teams, but, you know, it's just. It's a lame, lame thing. The All Star Game is now, and I think the four nations will be fun. I'm excited for it.
But yeah, I just think the All Star Game needs some. Needs some work if it's going to be back to what it used to be.
[00:14:36] Speaker A: So.
[00:14:36] Speaker B: I don't know. So awesome.
[00:14:38] Speaker A: Just looking back, right, Boone Jenner, he. He had actually a pretty decent season last year.
He put up 26 goals. He. No, he put up 26 goals. 19 assists in 68 games for 45 points was a minus 32. How is that an All Star?
[00:14:59] Speaker B: Oh, sorry, sorry.
[00:15:01] Speaker A: He hasn't played this year. I was looking at the prior year stats 22 goals, 13 assists, 35 points, 58 games minus eight. Yeah, that's no better. He had one. He had one 30 goal season in. It was 20, 15, 16 and he's been below half a point a game the rest of his career. How's that guy a freaking All Star? That makes no sense. Yeah, it's just stupid. It needs some.
[00:15:29] Speaker B: Needs some work. Give them. They're taking the year off. Yeah, that's. That's my thing. Get away with the random people, not random players. But don't. You don't have to do every. Every team doesn't. Isn't going to have an all Star. The Sharks might with just Mac. I would say Mac and Silverini.
Outside of that though, like some teams just don't really have an All Star and that's okay.
But yeah, we'll see what they do. Gary, I'm telling you, listen to us. We know what we're talking about. But another topic that was pretty, pretty crazy in the news the last week is the Utah Hockey Club. The Utah Hockey Club announced sometime last week that they. I don't know if they announced it, but someone reported that the Utah Hockey Club tried to trademark the name Yeti for the Utah Yeti as being one of the selections. That trademark got denied by the office due to the potential confusion in air quotes for everyone listening to the cooler brand Yeti.
I get it in ex like to an extent, but I still think it's really stupid because there's plenty of other Kings. Like there's Kings, there's the Kings, Sacramento Kings, LA Kings, the New York jets, the Winnipeg Jets. Like there's so many conflicting names that may be confusing.
[00:16:56] Speaker A: They're in the same space too. Like yeah, sports Yeti Coolers is not in the sports space. Like no, I don't get that at all. It's. It also fantastic sponsorship, right?
[00:17:10] Speaker B: Yeah, true.
[00:17:12] Speaker A: Fantastic sponsorship idea. That looked good on a jersey. I'm pretty sure the Yeti logo is just white. Right. You'd have the Yeti big Yeti crest right here and then Yeti right here. Like that's a fantastic sponsorship option. Yeah, it could have worked out well for both games. I.
I don't know what.
[00:17:29] Speaker B: Yeah, they rejected it. So the Utah Hockey Club then came out and said we have three names for you guys to pick on you fans. The Utah Mammoth.
Keep the Utah Hockey Club lame. Or the Utah Wasatch. Or however you pronounce it.
Go ahead and explain to everyone what the Wasatches. You had a better explanation than I did.
[00:17:51] Speaker A: So The Wasatch is a mountain range in Utah that comes from like a native I was reading about. This comes from a Native American word.
Well, it is a Native American word that means low valley and high mountains or low place and high mountains, basically, which I don't think that. Yeah, it's Salt Lake City, which makes a lot of sense for the city, but for a sports team name that.
[00:18:19] Speaker B: Doesn'T make any sense, just named after mountains. I just don't. I don't know. I. I think the Avalanche have that secured. That's why I didn't want the Blizzard or anything. Like. Like, I feel like the Avalanche are kind of that thing. So anyways, we have.
[00:18:35] Speaker A: We have enough natural disaster.
[00:18:37] Speaker B: Yeah, we got the.
[00:18:39] Speaker A: Yeah, that's enough. Two is enough. Oh, yeah. Three, I guess.
[00:18:44] Speaker B: And there's plenty in other sports, too. The earthquall, San Jose Earthquakes. Lol.
[00:18:49] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:18:49] Speaker B: Soccer.
[00:18:51] Speaker A: Still. There's no still.
[00:18:53] Speaker B: There's enough. But yeah. So the Mammoth Hockey Club, or Wasatch, were ones fans could vote on the first. I believe the first night that they tested this. Because you can only. Fans can only vote in the arena, which I like, because you don't want people on the Internet voting for something that's storming.
Yeah, I wish.
But it seemed like the fans did not like the Wasatch idea, which was crazy because that was not even something they threw in the vote whenever they did it over the summer.
[00:19:24] Speaker A: Never heard. Yeah, I just found out what that was. Not something I would have Googled two years ago.
[00:19:31] Speaker B: Yeah. So it's just kind of crazy that they were just like, yep, we're gonna throw this in there for you guys. And they're like, no, it's not. Any of the ones that we picked apparently, like Venom and some of the other ones I read were not also rejected from the trademark thing for whatever reason.
[00:19:48] Speaker A: It's a mixed martial arts show, short brand.
[00:19:53] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, true.
[00:19:54] Speaker A: Could have been the same issue. I have no idea. That's complete speculation.
[00:19:57] Speaker B: But yeah, yeah, yeah. That's probably the same thing. Yeah. So all they had left to pick now is the Mammoth, the Hockey Club and the Outlaws.
So I'm curious out of you, Alan, which of those three do you really want to see?
[00:20:15] Speaker A: There is one in particular. So Mammoth reminds me of. I'm pretty sure there's a box lacrosse team in Canada.
I. I could be completely off on this, but I'm pretty sure there's a box lacrosse team named the Mammoth.
Not a big fan of that name. In general, I think, like, team names, sports Teams, names that don't have an S at the end just kind of weird me out.
[00:20:45] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:20:45] Speaker A: I don't.
Silly. Yeah. I think it should have been yetis, if anything.
[00:20:52] Speaker B: Yeti, plural. No, I don't.
[00:20:55] Speaker A: You have to ask Bigfoot.
I got no clue.
I. I'm not a big fan of those names that are.
[00:21:03] Speaker B: The Avalanche you don't like.
[00:21:05] Speaker A: I. The Avalanche can slide because they've been a team for the entire life. For my entire lifespan.
[00:21:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:12] Speaker A: I'm not a big fan of name The Kraken.
The Lightning's kind of the same thing with the abs.
The Wild is pretty much the same thing as the abs. I just don't like new name. I don't like the idea of new names with. Without Nest on the app. I think it sounds silly.
[00:21:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it always takes some getting used to.
[00:21:30] Speaker A: Hockey club sounds like a soccer team name.
[00:21:33] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:21:34] Speaker A: Not even. Not even like a European football team. Like a soccer team. American soccer.
[00:21:39] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:40] Speaker A: Team name. Not a fan of that. I think Outlaws has to be the way to go, I guess.
[00:21:47] Speaker B: Go ahead.
[00:21:48] Speaker A: It, like, kind of makes sense if you look back at, like, Utah's, like, early history.
[00:21:55] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:56] Speaker A: But if you think about the state of Utah, it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.
[00:22:01] Speaker B: No. Because you can get jailed for selling liquor on a Sunday.
[00:22:05] Speaker A: That's just what I think of Outlaws doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but I think it's the best sports team name.
[00:22:11] Speaker B: These are the logos that got leaked. We'll show them right here.
[00:22:14] Speaker A: The color scheme doesn't make any sense for Outlaws.
[00:22:16] Speaker B: So for Outlaws, the blue. I love. I love the colors. The color schemes are, you know, very reminiscent of a certain podcast network, but the color just does not. That light blue just does not fit with the Utah Outlaws.
Now, one thing I just noticed on the Utah Hockey Club is that is a yeti on that face.
[00:22:37] Speaker A: Oh, interesting.
[00:22:40] Speaker B: So my guess is that's what they had drawn up for the Utah yeti, which I think is cool.
It's definitely.
I like that logo. But for Utah Hockey Club, and then they're just going to sneak in the yeti in there and maybe. Maybe they can work something out in the future and be able to change their name. I don't know. It's. It's just odd. The mammoth.
See, for me, I'm most intrigued by this mammoth name.
Again, I don't really. I don't know. I don't love the singular noun, but I mean, out of all those, I just don't feel like Outlaws really fit Utah's culture and vibe. And I just, I. When I think of Utah, I think of, like, skiing and outdoors, not gunslinging cowboys who are riding. You know, if it was in Montana, maybe.
[00:23:33] Speaker A: I think that the color scheme fits Utah.
[00:23:36] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:23:37] Speaker A: But it does not fit the Outlaws or the Outlaw logo. I think they should honestly have kept the Coyotes colorway because a lot of southern Utah is. It borders Arizona. It's like the exact same landscape.
[00:23:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:52] Speaker A: So it's like, I could see that fitting. And, and, you know, when I. When I think of Outlaws, the wild, Wild West, I think of Nevada, I think of Arizona. Utah is right there. So it kind of makes sense. You know, the Wild west of guarantee there. There's some, you know, Southern Utah is very Southern Utah.
[00:24:10] Speaker B: Yeah. But it's not played in southern Utah. It's played in Salt Lake City.
[00:24:13] Speaker A: Yeah, Salt Lake.
[00:24:15] Speaker B: Like you guys are in the north. Yeah, you guys are pretty close to us. It's a five hour drive. I just don't. I. I really like that Utah, that this, this logo here. I just find it hilarious that they were just like, yeah, we're just gonna sneak the Yeti in there.
[00:24:31] Speaker A: There's still salty. What's the owner, guys? What's the owner's name? Why am I forgetting Jazz? Ryan Smith, he's all Yeti coolers. I will never buy another Yeti cooler again.
[00:24:43] Speaker B: Yeah, he just snuck it in there, which is, I think, hilarious and honestly, kind of making me want to vote for the hockey club, have that Yeti and just like make. Make all, like, hockey fans just know them as Utah Yeti.
[00:24:55] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:24:55] Speaker B: And just basically gaslight the US Government into letting them have that. That trademark for the Yeti. That's really what I want.
[00:25:04] Speaker A: Geez. Gaslight the US Government and let them be the Yeti. That's awesome.
[00:25:08] Speaker B: I mean, that's kind of what I want right now, so that's awesome. I'd be excited for that. But yeah, let us know in the comments what you think out of those three is the best.
You know, I'm curious. There's really no other choices. They're not going to go back on it now. I don't know when we'll find out, but we'll let you know. Go. We'll let you guys know when we find out.
So, yeah, we'll find out. But let's get into some trade talk because we had. There's a good amount of trades this week, but three big ones, I would say, one being the Sharks in Dallas, one Being New York Rangers and Vancouver Canucks and one being Calgary and Philadelphia. So we're going to get in the Calgary run first and Philly. So Philadelphia Flyers acquire Andre Kuzmenko and Jacob Pelletier. A 2025 second round pick and a 2028 seventh round pick.
Calgary receives Morgan Frost and Joel Farabee. So there's three first round picks in this draft here or this trade. Sorry.
Jacob Pelletier, he's picked number 26 in 2018 or 2017, I believe. Morgan Frost was picked 27 in 2017 and Joel Farabee picked 14 in 2018. Now, yes, they are first round picks, but they have not lived up to that. It, I mean, it takes time and I get it. They're still young. I mean, none of them are over the age of 25, these first round picks.
So they haven't really gotten a full season on their belt. Morgan Frost is probably the best one out of all those 48 games played in 25 points this year.
But it's not like anything crazy. What do you think of this trade?
[00:26:58] Speaker A: This kind of just strikes me as like younger guys who aren't really blossoming as you'd expect them to.
Getting them to a change of scenery. I didn't realize Jacob LTA was already 23 years old. Yeah.
The only guy who's really kind of broken out. Well, there's two. Joel Farabee's kind of broken out already and Kuzmenko's already broken out. But like, Farabee is not having a great year. Neither is Kuzmenko.
It just kind of strikes me as like a change of scenery for. For both guys in both trades.
[00:27:39] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:27:39] Speaker A: Which I don't think is a bad thing. I think.
I don't see the value back of the. The second round pick going to Philly.
[00:27:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:27:49] Speaker A: I don't think Morgan Frost is much better than Kuzma. Go. I don't think Farabee is much better than Kuzmenko. Like, I, I don't know.
[00:28:01] Speaker B: A 2028 seventh round pick two is.
[00:28:04] Speaker A: Just a whole lot diabolical.
[00:28:06] Speaker B: It's just like they just threw that in there. They're like, you know, in the. Have you ever played a franchise mode and you know when you need the trade value just to be a little bit higher, you throw that seven. That's what that was right there.
[00:28:19] Speaker A: You get that, you get the message back. You just need to sweeten it a touch.
[00:28:23] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:28:24] Speaker A: Sweetening it a touch.
[00:28:25] Speaker B: Yes. That's all they need.
[00:28:27] Speaker A: Watch the guy who gets picked in 2028, round seven by. Well, would now be. Would now be fire. Philly, watch it. Be like some absolute superstar. Like, yeah, best goalie in the NHL for the next 15 years.
Yeah, that'd be the most important piece of this trail.
[00:28:49] Speaker B: Yeah, no, it would, but, yeah, I mean, overall, I think like you said, it's a very much of like, you know, get these guys a new scenery, new coaching staff, new.
You know, just get out of what they've been doing. And I think. I mean, the Flames are in a tough spot. We'll have Galleon next week. He might be able to defend himself and the Flames for that one. But, yeah, it's an interesting trade. Yeah, I mean, the Flames are just in a spot where they're.
It's weird because it's like, how do you. Do you rebuild? Do you just retool? They have a rock star, Dustin Wolf in net, but it's also like, long term. Where's this team going? Are you just trying to win now? But, like, why are you trying to win now? Because what are you going to do in the playoffs? Like, you know, it's just. It's odd.
[00:29:38] Speaker A: But this trade, push them over the edge to be an actual contender. No, especially not sending back a guy like G. Mano is having a down year, but, like, he's got 135 points and 190 games played in the NHL. 65 goals. Like, that's nothing that really, like.
[00:29:58] Speaker B: Yeah, that's. That's nothing.
The flames lost 800. So the. The cap didn't really, like, change at all for either of these teams. So. Yeah, they're still on here for. According to Puckpedia, the net. What's called the net draft pick value.
Oh, that's. That. Never mind. I thought that was the trade grade they gave him. But overall, I mean, I give both of these trades a B just because it's like you kind of got to see where this goes. I think it's a good trade to just shake things up and just shake that eight ball and hope for a good answer. But again, long term, we'll see what happens. But no one gained any cap or lost any cap, so it's like kind of one of those things where it's pretty fair. All right, on to the next. This one is a doozy. This is the New York Rangers in Vancouver Canucks. So the New York Rangers acquired J.T. miller again, Jack Thorrington and Eric Branstrom. The Canucks got in return Philip Heidel. Victor Mancini of 2025, first round pick top three. The top 13 protected.
And yeah, that was the trade overall there.
The Rangers lost about 3.5 mil in cap space, whereas the Canucks gained 3.5 mil in cap space. If I'm reading this correctly, it's a new website we're using. So.
But yeah, I mean I think. What are your initial thoughts when you saw this trade?
[00:31:35] Speaker A: My initial thought was what the is Vancouver doing?
[00:31:39] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:31:41] Speaker A: So I. Obviously there was the whole locker room rift.
[00:31:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Which we still don't know the full extent of it.
[00:31:48] Speaker A: Like we don't know the full extent of it. And it centered around J.T. miller and Elias Pederson. Right.
From my understanding after the trade is there were a lot of guys in the Vancouver locker room that were pretty upset that J.T. miller was the one to get traded.
I forget where I read that. I read that on some tweet off some inside. It might have been Elliot Friedman or someone like that.
Why the hell are you trading away a guy who put up 103 points last season, Right. For like a B or C tier. Young guy. Right. Younger guy. He's not even young. He's 25. Philip.
[00:32:30] Speaker B: Talk about Heidel. Yeah.
[00:32:32] Speaker A: A defenseman who.
I've never heard of this guy before. Who knows, he might be some. I don't really pay attention to Vancouver's prospect system. He's 22 years old, Victor Mancini, and he's played 15 NHL games. Right. At 22 years old, that's not fantastic.
And a first round pick, a fifth.
[00:32:53] Speaker B: Round pick, Victor Mancini was I.
[00:32:57] Speaker A: After the, after a few years, like the, the draft round doesn't really matter.
[00:33:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:33:04] Speaker A: What I'm curious about, he's played 15 NHL games. He's 22 years old. Right.
I don't know if he came out of college. I don't know anything about this guy. That's not like a great. Like if you're drafting a prospect, right. You want him to play, be an impact player in the first few years that you have them in your. In your system. He's clearly not an impact player at this point in time because he's only played 15 games this season.
That can't be enough. Plus Philip Beetle, plus a first round pick that you're not even odds are you're not going to be in the top 15. Right.
To take on a J.T. miller or to get rid of a J.T. miller who put up 103 points last year.
Right.
[00:33:48] Speaker B: Yeah, he's.
[00:33:49] Speaker A: He's put up. We looked at this before. It was 103 points, 82 points last season, then 99 points the year before.
Sorry, going back for years, whatever.
That guy plus a 20 year old defenseman. Right.
Not on contract. Jack Jackson. Dorrington is a six round pick. That to me kind of cancels out Victor Mancini plus Eric Branstrom who's a 25 year old defenseman who has 300 NHL games under his belt.
[00:34:20] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:34:21] Speaker A: What are you doing Vancouver?
Like you, you basically you had to give up two roster players plus a prospect to get rid of J.T. miller for a bag of pucks. Effectively. I don't get that trade whatsoever. It's not like Philip Beetle's that much younger than J.T. is. Six years younger, but he hasn't done in the NHL. Yeah, right.
[00:34:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:34:49] Speaker A: He's not on, realistically speaking, not on that much cheaper of a contract. 3.5 mil for another two years. Right?
[00:34:55] Speaker B: Yeah. See, I think the one good thing about this is that first round pick they got out of it. But even then, I mean, I don't think the Rangers are going to go down to pick 13, especially adding J.T. miller. I think the Rangers are going to go get hot right now. They're going to.
[00:35:13] Speaker A: They're going to. Absolutely. The Rangers.
I'm a Rangers hater. I am not a big fan of Igor Shusterkin. I'm not a big fan of a lot of players on their team. They're still a great hockey team. Right. Them being this low in the standings, this deep in the year is an anomaly. Even if they say, they say they suck the rest of the season. Right. They end up at in, in a top 10 pick. So you don't get this first rounder this year, you get it next year.
That pick is not going to be top 15 next year. Yeah, they're gonna bounce back. They're gonna. I guarantee you they'll be back towards the top of the league next season. If they don't end there this season that pick is, is going to be probably close to a second rounder. Right. And you just got rid of a guy who's put up damn near 100 points or 100 points to our last three years.
[00:36:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:36:07] Speaker A: And what are you doing?
[00:36:08] Speaker B: Yeah, I think the biggest thing is that they picked a side clearly. And again, we don't know what was going on in the locker room. We don't know exactly what that entails yet. But to give away a player like that is just crazy. And yeah, he's not having the greatest start to a season. Granted. He's 31 and it's not like he's going to be improving based off of last year, but still, if he can crack 80, 90 points this year, like, that's a great season. And you know, I think the Canucks are just kind of.
I hate to say it, but they're just trying to figure it out because like, they are just kind of all over the place right now and I just. Yeah, that return is just not the greatest. And I think the Rangers got the best end of the deal out of this and I think they're going to go on a heater. And also J.T. miller is on Team USA in four nations and him and Kachuk are going to be beating the out of Elias Pedersen when they play Sweden.
[00:37:15] Speaker A: I just find it nuts. Like you say, he's not off to the greatest start this year. The greatest first half this year. He's put up 35 points of 40 games played. Right. That's not fantastic.
[00:37:26] Speaker B: No.
[00:37:26] Speaker A: Go on a five game heater and be back to above point a game.
[00:37:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:37:33] Speaker A: And you just got rid of him for Philip Heidel effectively. And a first round pick that will probably be pretty close to a second round pick. Yeah, that's nothing. When was the last time you saw a guy who put up a hundred points in a season get traded for something that low of a return? Yeah, I think I have in my life. Yeah, it's nuts.
[00:37:53] Speaker B: No, they were crazy. Yeah. This is definitely one of the craziest trades. Nothing like. I don't know if you follow basketball at all, but nothing like that Luka Donchic trade that was. I. I don't even know where I was when I read that, but I thought whatever Twitter tweet I was reading I thought was fake because I was like, stupid trade. Yeah. And I know this isn't a basketball podcast, but that trade is just nuts.
[00:38:18] Speaker A: I saw that some guy or I think it was an Instagram post actually. They were like, put this in hockey terms, this trade.
[00:38:27] Speaker B: I was gonna bring that up.
[00:38:28] Speaker A: Yeah. The best one, the best comparison that I saw was Evgeny Malkin for Nathan McKinnon. And I'm like, yeah, that really puts into perspective, I think of Guinea. Malkin might be a little harsh on Anthony Davis, but.
[00:38:41] Speaker B: Yeah, still not really. No. Maybe not Malkin. I would say maybe.
Oh, it's tough. 31. Because like Anthony Davis is.
[00:38:52] Speaker A: He's only 31.
[00:38:53] Speaker B: Yeah, he's a good player. But Luke is like a franchise. It'd be like Connor McDavid. Honestly, it's a franchise player.
[00:39:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:39:00] Speaker B: In Luka Doncic. And you're giving up getting back in return?
Like.
Yeah, it's hard to say.
It's just a crazy. That trade was crazy. Anyways, anyways, digress. So next one, back to the Sharks. We get to a little Shark talk at the end, towards the end of the episode. So we got a trade. This is still relevant though. It's not, we're not gonna be delusional about this, but Dallas and San Jose. Dallas receives Mikhail Grandland and Cody Cece.
Sharks get back a 2025 first round pick and a 2025 fourth round pick. That condition, it's a conditional fourth round pick. The condition is that if Dallas makes a Stanley cup final, that fourth round pick turns into a third round pick. Will that happen? I don't know. I don't care. This is going to be a late first round pick anyways. But yeah, with anything and a rebuild. I forget who I saw say this, but they were like, you know, at the end of the day, during a rebuild, you can't get attached. And a player like Mikhail Granlund is a fantastic player, but we need to get rid of the top scoring player on our team for the next two, three years. Of course, outside of Macklin celebrating and our young core, but anyone that's, you know, can go help a team that's contending, go be a third, second line player where normally he's a first line center or first line player on our team.
You know, that's always going to be in our, you know, a good thing in our hand and that. Who knows what GM Mike Greer is going to be doing with that first round pick because we've seen what he's done with past first round picks and who he's gotten out of that and we could see another crazy trade or maybe you know, trading up to another pick. Take that first round pick and turn it into another top 10 pick, who knows.
[00:40:54] Speaker A: So it's, it's kind of crazy, this trade. Sorry to butt in.
This is one of the best, like, how do I put this? Asset management trades I think I've ever seen.
Because the Sharks acquired Granlin from the Penguins in the Eric Carlson trade. Right. He was effectively cap relief for the Sharks.
He came back because he is on a big contract and there needed to be some counteracting of the EK65 contract even with half retained.
[00:41:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:41:33] Speaker A: So he's making. Yeah, it's five mil a year. Right. And he's on the last year of his contract.
We got two great seasons out of Mikhail Granland. He was in The. I believe he was in the AHL when the Sharks acquired him, if I remember correctly.
[00:41:50] Speaker B: Good luck. Keep talking.
[00:41:52] Speaker A: I. If I remember correctly, I think he was in the ahl. He was not designated to play on the Pittsburgh penguins in. In 2023, 2024.
[00:42:02] Speaker B: No, he was 21 games.
[00:42:05] Speaker A: Yeah, maybe I was. Maybe I was right.
[00:42:06] Speaker B: He actually came from Nashville 2023.
[00:42:09] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:42:10] Speaker B: And then went to Pittsburgh and then in the off season got traded to the Sharks.
[00:42:13] Speaker A: Okay, okay, okay.
[00:42:16] Speaker B: Point with the start. He had those pretty sick assists.
[00:42:19] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:42:19] Speaker B: That game. He played with them. But regardless, like, like you said, EK65. It's all coming back full circle to.
[00:42:27] Speaker A: Turn cap relief into a first and a fourth round pick.
[00:42:31] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:42:33] Speaker A: And you get rid of Cody Cece, you don't have to watch that guy play anymore. This is an overall win. Yeah.
Heistkin is out right now for the Stars and Sagan's out right now for the Stars. You just filled. Granlin is arguably a better player than Tyler Sagan at this point in his career.
[00:42:51] Speaker B: Sagans have he. I don't know what's happened to him.
[00:42:55] Speaker A: He had that. That guy's fall off is monumental. But yeah, the, the stars win because they get at least a temporary replacement for CC and a replacement for Gramlin because Sagan's going to be injured late into the playoffs, most likely.
[00:43:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
It's a solid forward.
[00:43:13] Speaker A: It's a solid player.
[00:43:14] Speaker B: You can ask. Yeah. And it's a, it's a. It could be a rental. They might not resign them, but you know, as a contending team, you kind of need to give away those first round picks and keep acquiring some firepower.
[00:43:26] Speaker A: Granlin had a resurgence out of his career. He had. I mean, looking back, he had probably two of his best four seasons in the league on the Sharks. Statistically that is true.
[00:43:42] Speaker B: Yeah. He was on pace to rate. Definitely break what he did last year.
[00:43:48] Speaker A: He's now going to be on a cup contender.
[00:43:50] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:43:51] Speaker A: And the Sharks get a first and a fourth round pick for a guy that was cap relief in a free agent signing. Like it's, it's free picks, it's. And it's exactly what you want out of rebuilding team. It's awesome.
[00:44:03] Speaker B: Yeah. It's really all you can ask for.
[00:44:06] Speaker A: That's one of the most like everybody won that trade that I've ever seen. The players involved won the trade and both teams won the trade. Like.
[00:44:16] Speaker B: Yeah. And like looking at it circuit surface level and I think, you know, seeing fans reaction, obviously you're never going to love losing a player that, I mean he was on my account. My Sharks calendar I got this year. He's. He's in January. Right. Like I loved him as a player but in a rebuild you truly can't get attached. There's four or five players you can get attached to as a Sharks fan and even then you never know. But yeah, not putting that out in the universe, but yeah, to rebuild you just. Yeah, we just really can't. You can't get attached to some of these players. Like you know, I love to Foley what he's doing with the team but in a couple years, who know, who knows what he's gonna be surprised if.
[00:44:55] Speaker A: He'S off the season by the end of the trade deadline.
[00:44:58] Speaker B: I like see the thing is I think he's more of a mentor figure and he did sign a longer term con. Like was it four years or something like that? Four years, yeah. And it's not like he's having a bad season, but I don't think he's Tyler to fully of what he was one day. But I think if he's you know, a mentor figure to these kids and can kind of relax. He's got his Stanley cup, you know and he probably, he has a family too, so he's probably enjoying life. But yeah, we'll see. What you know, as these weeks go on there's gonna be more trades, I'm sure and. Yeah. Do you have anything else before anything else you can think of? Oh, we had that suspension we can talk about for really quick.
[00:45:39] Speaker A: Oh yeah, that was crazy.
[00:45:42] Speaker B: Yeah. So if you haven't seen it on the Internet, surprised you haven't. But Ryan Hartman been suspended 10 games for roughing call against Tim Stutzla. Essentially what happened was during the face off he like grabbed Stitzel's head and just shoved it into the ice like it was WWE or something.
[00:46:02] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:46:02] Speaker B: And I don't know what he was thinking on that, but he got suspended for 10 games which is.
I don't think I've ever. I mean I've seen long suspensions but I think it was just. It looks very intentional in most suspensions it's kind of like ah, you just were out of position and had a weird fall. But this was a little bit. Had a little bit more intent behind it. So got the 10.
[00:46:26] Speaker A: So the reason why he got the 10 game suspension is last year in a game against the Winnipeg jets he did almost an identical thing to. Oh, oh gosh, what was the guy's name?
I really should know. This cold perfetti There we go.
Yeah. So he. He high stick the guy or he high stick cold Perfetti during a face off. It was extremely blatant. Basically it was down, taking the face off, and Perfetti kind of got his stick up and then he went straight into Perfetti's. It was like right in his eye, if I remember correctly.
[00:47:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:47:10] Speaker A: Messed up his eye.
That was last season in a game where they were down tremendously. Right. And now you have another game again where the Senators were absolutely whooping the Wild. I think it was three nothing or four nothing at that point. They ended up losing six nothing. Not a close game.
[00:47:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:47:33] Speaker A: And he makes frankly, what is a dirty play against a young, very talented player on the opposing team. Yeah, that's kind of nuts. I like Ryan Hartman as a player. He's fun to watch, but that's something that doesn't belong in. In the game. I think 10, 10 games is harsh. Yeah.
[00:47:56] Speaker B: But you kind of got to set a precedent like that if you're going to do something that drastic. And exactly. Aggressive, too. Like, it's just the intent. It's like McDavid when you're that aggressive with something. I mean, granted, McDavid only got three games, but.
Yeah, just something.
[00:48:11] Speaker A: You can't suspend them that long.
[00:48:12] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. And also. Yeah, well, yeah, I could go on a tangent about that, but thanks for listening, everyone. Next week is a fun episode. I promise that Four nations is starting up, so we've got an episode for you guys. We're going to have some other folks on and we're going to be talking just the rosters, just all things Four nations next week, it's going to be dropping on the Wednesday that Four nations start for you guys listening. So you'll have that for the week. The following week after that, it's going to perfectly time up where we're going to record on Monday of the fall. So this is. Let me get my calendar out for everyone listening. So the 12th we're going to have the four nations episode. The 19th following week is the four nations five. I think it's the final game is played that night. So we're gonna have another episode that week about just the finals. We're gonna know by the time we're recording, we're gonna know who's playing in that. That tournament.
So we'll have some banter and just kind of talk about, you know, whether it's the past week, what we saw, what happened during the US vs Canada game, all the drama, all the fun. So I'M excited for these next two weeks because it's all four nations. We could get a little break. The NHL and it's all, it's all about that country. We get to root for team players that we don't normally root for.
You know, Jack Eichel's going to be on our team.
Plenty of players that we're going to be like one with as Americans.
[00:49:39] Speaker A: I hope all of Team USA succeeds except for Jeff Eichel.
That guy.
[00:49:46] Speaker B: I like Jeff.
[00:49:47] Speaker A: I have a Jack Echo jersey.
[00:49:49] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:49:49] Speaker A: I love that guy, but he's night that guy.
[00:49:53] Speaker B: Yeah. As a Knight. Hate him. But this week as same with Austin Matthews. Normally I don't like the guy because he's a Toronto Maple Leaf.
[00:50:01] Speaker A: He's nasty though.
[00:50:02] Speaker B: He is. And I'll. I'll give him that. I'll give him his flowers. But I get to actually root for him now when normally I don't just being frank. But I'm super excited. I know, Alan, you are too. So I hope you guys listening at home are excited and we're all we'll have fun. But other than that, you guys have a great weekend, a great week and we'll talk to you guys next week. Peace.
[00:50:23] Speaker A: Peace.
